iON: Back to the Harvest Judgment, 14:14
“And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.” [Revelation 14:14-16]
Past damn tense.
“And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.” [Rev 14:17-20]
That’s’ referencing Megiddo.
1:07:15
GREGG: You love everybody-you love nobody.
BOB: Yeah, if everybody is an artist, then there is no art. That’s a Gutenberg thing to say: ‘there is art’ but it’s good to note that you have individualism and a genius is something that stands out, because not everybody is an artist. But in preliterate society everybody is an artist and they don’t have the issue of individual genius or amazing individuals. So I always think of that when iON says he loves everybody. It may not be a problem that he doesn’t love anybody but in an individualistic society, illiterate society -that’s a problem. If you love everybody then you don’t love anybody; nobody stands out, nobody can be an individual in relation to iON.
iON: Well, they are not.
BOB: I know. I’m not saying it’s a problem I’m just showing the technical difference.
1:09:38
BOB: Circle 1 is the four winds. Circle 2 is the four beasts and the Lamb.
1:10:29
GREGG: Circle 3 is the five Angels’ names.
1:14:09
BOB: The five names make an oval, so what is the ring outside that?
1:14:42
BOB: It’s the aethyrs. That’s the 30 and the 18 and the 49th is not known…that stuff.
1:16:40
BRIAN: All of Revelation is in that chart, somewhere?
iON: From the Angels perspective, that’s correct.
BOB: That would mean, iON that the seven realms of heaven are in this image.
iON: Of course.
1:17:44
BOB: Is the Guf in this chart?
iON: Yes.
1:19:14
iON: Name what ring it is: ABATH4Z
1:19:37
BOB: That would be the fourth ring.
1:19:51
iON: Starting at verse 2, which gives a tiny, little imprint of what that circle deals with.
GINNEY: “And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.” [Rev 10: 2, 3]
iON: How many thunders? How many letters do you have in that little circle?
GINNEY: Seven.
iON: Those are the thunders. We can go a little further to give a little background.
GINNEY: “And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:” [Rev 10:4-6]
1:21:27
iON: This is the canceling of time for the little man. We have been saying: there is no Time. Well, there isn’t, but human creators, little man can have Time if he creates time for Time. The thunders settle it. Notice how close in proximity this is to the rings. You are going to build these layers and tiers of these rings as you work out, and that is just wonderful and good. But if you noticed, we are starting from the inside out. What if the chart worked from the Angels perspective is from the outside in?
1:24:11
BOB: The five Angels- what was their role?
BRIAN: The four angels that are holding back the winds and the angel from the East that had the seal of the living God.
1:24:36
iON: One little caveat, just a tiny little thing, Bob, because you know there’s always more. When we get there, what you’re going to find is that the role of those particular named Angels is going to change to the first part of 23, when they are fighting, looking and searching out the Dark Soul. Their job title, their job this description is going to shift.
1:25:05
iON: From the Angels perspective, from the outside in, that’s the point where they are searching everywhere for the Dark Soul.
1:25:22
iON: We are just making a tiny, little caveat, and Ginney will make a little note. When we get back you’ll go: ”oh, oh, their job was this but now their job is part of this fighting business in heaven in the second war, where they start seeking out the Dark Soul.
1:26:17
BRIAN: The image that I have is this ‘inside out’ –‘outside in’ pulsating effect.
iON: Think of it as a moving sphere.
BOB: Yeah, you know the tesseract. When you go into Wikipedia they show you the tesseract. There are squares inside a sphere; it goes around inside the sphere and then it pops out-it is something like that action. It’s a Dan Winter animation.
iON: Okay, Lord Suffering Cats. So, verse 38 of God and the Messiah to Dwell with Man:
GINNEY: “In those days the Lord bade (them) to summon and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show (it) unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and My son will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen.”
iON: That the inference of what you’re finding out about the present job, in that particular circle.
BOB: What’s the present job?
iON: You were calling it a hedge or a protection.
BOB: So, you’re saying 38 is a description of going outside going in.
iON: Yeah, “them” is those angles.
BOB: The five Angels, the five names?
iON: Yes.
1:28:42
iON: The angels are “them” that is referenced here in verse 38.
BOB: Ring 3, those five names, they are the protecting Angels holding back the winds with the Angel of the East in there and then there are the seven thunders around them.
iON: Right, and the thunders can be “them” but actually the thunders become the” it”.
1:30:23
BOB: You have these Angels holding back the winds but the winds are not connected to this sentence in verse 38.
iON: Correct. That is a different ring entirely, Bob.
BOB: So the thunders are something different from the function of the winds.
iON: They are another ring.
1:34:04
iON: This is the circumcision of the heart ,going from the inside out.
1:42:16
BOB: Do you remember looking at the diagram and that whole, one big document and you’ve got the 18 keys and underneath that you have 30 little names or syllables. Those syllables are the aethyrs and above them are the 18 keys. Ring five involves all, 30+18.
1:48:03
BOB: We are back at the fifth ring, which is the aethyrs and the keys. Why would they be there?
1:50:06
GINNEY: “And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.”
BOB: Right, because the little book is iON that is to be written later and that might be my chart as part of that, to be written later.
1:58:51
iON: In the little book you lay out the thunders. We placed the thunders on which ring of your chart, so far?
BOB: Ring four.
1:59:27
iON: The thunders have a job.
1:59:38
iON: Pick up again in verse 7 of the little book. Maybe that will help to give a little more girth of the thunders’ job.
02:00:00
GINNEY: “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” [Rev10:7]
iON: Okay, hold it right there. Hey Bob, that’s where your mystery landscape gets exposed completely.
BOB: Whenever I hear the words “little book “that is a reference to iON. So, are you connecting iON to the mystery landscape being exposed?
iON: Well, if it comes of God, a mystery of God - which is you all - that it should be finished, then okay, no problem. It’s not necessarily about us in this reference; it is about what the job is that this particular ring concludes.
2:01:03
BOB: You’re saying something is concluded.
iON: The mystery is.
2:01:36
GINNEY: What iON is saying is that the job of the seven thunders is to complete the mystery landscape. That mystery landscape, being that we have been a noise, will continue to be god and everything that we thought was a mystery wasn’t really a mystery, because we created it. We are the gods that created it, named it and established it.
iON: And “as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” --that is your chart, Bob.
BOB: That sentence you just said refers to my chart?
iON: Yeah, because you’ve been telling them and telling them and telling them it’s in your chart, but they had not got your chart yet. Well, with the thunders--they will.
2:02:37
iON: “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” [Rev10:7]
BOB: Am I the “he”?
iON: Uhhmm.
BOB: I see, because the chart is about a finishing and it has reference to Joyce’s Ten Thunders. Okay, I can see that fitting.
iON: But the impact is from the mystery landscape or the mystery of God that should be finished. It doesn’t have to be sounded; it is when he shall begin to sound.
BOB: Right, in the chart you got the radio, TV, computer satellite quadrants anthropomorphizes LaRouche, McLuhan, Thompson and Kroker. I position myself on the fifth quadrant - there’s only four quadrants, I call myself the fifth quadrant - permeating all of them and I was the representative of the mystery landscape. That technically is how I thought of what I was doing, my role in the chart.
iON: That is exactly spot on and you got the other reference from Revelation 2, of how that implies which is also in your chart. But this is the first reference that quotes exactly that process that you have been singing to everybody that would be still - now gets to be known by everyone who even begins to hear the sound.
BOB: Right and you said “he declared to his prophets” -- who are his prophets, my prophets?
iON: Who are “his servants the prophets”?
BOB: Yeah, what we jokingly call the SubDeanies, the ones who listened.
2:04:54
iON: There are Major and Minor Prophets, those who spake the word of the Lord. There is a little bit of dogma in that reference but it’s okay, it is self-cleaning. Those that have the balls to get up and say: “I have created a new civilization” before it’s complete – well, it is the “his servants, the prophets”. From the Ascension-not ascending, not ascended-world, which you are well on your way from the inside out. From the Angels perspective it would very well be a decree from one on the throne.
BOB: Yeah, I understand my chart being in this section with the little book, because the manifesting of iON started to put new relevance on my chart.
2:06:17
iON: This chart has to do with the Angels’ perspective. We are just pulling it back through so you get in full cognizance of how it affects the effects to the Angels. That’s what this particular section is about. It is how you can get from the Angels charted perspective, so in your godship you will know how to call what you are ushering. The Scriptures are just damn riddled with angels coming in and smoting things. Everything done that humans don’t do themselves is done by an Angel.
2:08:52
BOB: We create, and it’s an involvement with the chip body, which means that nonphysical is shaped, mutated by the interaction with the chip body. That aspect is what my chart seems to be about, the new shapes. I said in a private session that the new landscapes, TV and that, they are the new Angels that smote people, they smote civilizations by changing the dynamics and citizens don’t understand why the situation changes.
2:10:15
GINNEY:” And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.”
2:11:58
iON: So it means it’s got one foot in the water and one foot on the land. So therefore there is a merging going on. Bob, this in your chart comes back down to the Tiny Note .You get up to the Tiny Note now, and you come into your chart and you start marrying 1 foot on the sea 1 foot on the earth. We could extrapolate and say Bread of Life, Leaving Water, okay? But we didn’t, but we could. Bob, tell us about the Tiny Note in your chart.
BOB: First of all I want to say that I talked about the Living Water 15 years ago. The fifth quadrant has the D-Cell, the Living Water and all that stuff in it. That’s why “waiting for organic bodies”, so that Living Water aspect has always been in the chart, that’s why that fits.
iON: We did not want you to qualify; we want you to talk about the Tiny Note, Bob.
BOB: Zappa – in his cosmos everything was a vibration reflecting off the big note.
iON: That’s what we are talking about here, the big note and a tiny note. What’s the section it’s in? It’s in the little book. There’s more said in the little book than there is necessarily in the big note. That’s why Bob’s Tiny Note is referenced here and it is so subtle it can blow you away before you ever knew you heard it. So, Tiny Note, Zappa with a side of Beefheart…go ahead.
BOB: The last week’s Fringe-Walter talks about some underlying vacuum and it is a sound. He was seeing that the big note was coming out of the radio transmission and it was a negative projection. The ‘big note’ idea was what Carolyn and I was saying when watching it. The tiny note is satirical. Zappa is talking about the big note, I say: well, this is a little note, tiny note. You have the word ‘xenochrony’ in the subtitle of the chart and xenochrony is a word Zappa coined.
iON: You see the credible relevance of that reference of your chart to this inference because out of this little book we are fixing to find out how significant the Tiny Note is. You see how we are lining it up right back into your flow, outside of what you call the empirical reference Scriptures but inside the essence of creation of the first book of the Bible.
2:15:19
BOB: So the phrase ‘holeopathic’ is a hologram that shrinks. Over the last 30 years the hologram that the satellites created digitally got shrunk so they are more potent, like homeopathy. So, I combined hologram with a homeopathy and you get holeopathic. The Tiny Note is more powerful as we get closer to the end of the beginning. The other thing is—McLuhan said: “My stuff is very difficult, I don’t pretend to understand it.” That implies a channeling there. You can see if the Angel was guiding him. It’s making me think of Zappa and say: okay, he’s got big note, put in tiny note. It’s like he’s guiding me to refer to stuff that I don’t even know it’s going to be in there, so it’s a kind of channeling when you do it.
iON: Or vice versa. Maybe it was you affecting Zappa.
2:16:24
BOB: T.S. Eliot said that every new, important work clarified all the works that went before. Like Shakespeare clarified Homer, Eliot clarified Shakespeare. Each new addition enhances the meaning of the past but also is an important, new thing in itself. That’s how I see the echoing of the prophets that line refers to. I am enhancing the prophets, showing what they meant and they were talking what I talk about. Something like that?
iON: Back to The Hollow Men, yes.
BOB: What we were doing in the 20th century and right now in the last decade, we found out what the Bible means. We are now helping those prophets what they were really talking about. Nobody got what they were talking about until we showed up.
iON: And then it clarified it with pinpoint accuracy, not in the big note-but the tiny note.
BOB: That’s how I see, that was the joking part. McLuhan and Zappa and all these guys were prophets of me and Carolyn and that’s what I say on the radio. I always said they worked for me.
iON: That’s right. Granted, it is extreme when other folks are listening but that is the point.
2:18:03
BOB: My voice hagging the mike on this point over the last 20 years is in the world of mortar, not in the world of stone.
2:18:17
BOB: I am entering the world of the Android Meme or mortar, and making this stuff so it is kind of theatrical. It is entering the world of language.
2:18:30
iON: The Zionists would say: so is John’s version of the Revelation.
BOB: The Zionist would say what?
iON: That it was theatrical.
BOB: They would say what we are saying about John?
iON: No, what John said about John. The work of the Revelation-- they would say it had its theatrics involved. So, that’s the cleanup, that’s what the issue is. They say one thing and then they unsay it and then they say something else and then they unsay that. So, you have to come down to the final conclusion: if you believe the Bible you’ll have to believe that part of it is the truth and part of it is damn lie. Of course, once you get rid of ‘truth’ you don’t have that conversation or issue but the outside, big picture is trumped by the essence of the little book and the Tiny Note.
BOB: That’s why iON entered the world of mortar because the stone representative had to get in there and mix it up with the mortar, because the mortar was just confusing the hell out of everything.
2:22:41
GINNEY: “And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.” [Rev 10:9, 10]
2:23:12
BOB: So, you eat the little book-- that’s what the chart is about because it reads about of the Living Water and the Bread. That’s what the bottom line says: “waiting for organic bodies”. With the Living Water you get an organic body. So, that’s incredible that you eat the little book; that resonates even more with the chart.
iON: That’s exactly right. “It’s sweet and it’s bitter”…the RNA changer is the Bread of Life and the Living Water. It’ll be sweet when you first put it in your mouth but as soon as you eat it, it will make your belly bitter. And that bitterness is good, it serves you well, because what it actually does is change the Rh factor or your blood; it makes it different.
2:24:28
BRIAN: So, you’re saying that the RNA is the Bread of Life and Living Water.
iON: No. The Bread of Life and the Living Water is what will send new information to your RNA on a cellular level.
2:24:52
BRIAN: So, what is the RNA?
iON: The RNA is the actual capacitor that tells the DNA what to replicate-one double helix or 144,000 double helices, so each cell regenerates perfectly.
BOB: The RNA carries the information; it is the messenger that something new has come into the body.
iON: The same way, if you have something bitter in your belly that bitterness is conveyed. Otherwise how would you know that your belly was bitter if something did not tell your mind that your stomach was sour?
2:25:57
BOB: When I made this chart 15 years ago, I designed it so the RNA was more important. If you look at each quadrant-and it is like this angel diagram-it’s a picture of the cell but it also includes the electric media in it, which would be the new cosmos for the Angels. You have a LaRouche quadrant, which is a holeopathic, tiny, little radio/satellite. The satellite goes around the planet that is the last extension of analog media. The world in the 60s is inside the satellite proscenium arch, so the whole world is a hologram, a huge hologram. Then the digital comes along and shrinks the hologram, makes it tinier and tinier over the next 34 years. So that today the kids have all previous, huge, media environments in the palm of their hand. They have shrunk the satellite-this is how you get to the Tiny Note. The holeopathic radio/satellite: satellite refers to what went on in the analog, holeopathic means the digital. I call the holeopathic radio/satellite, the first word under it is “adenine”- one of the parts of the DNA. Holeopathic television/satellite-which is the McLuhan quadrant-guanine. Holeopathic computer/satellite-Thomson quadrant- is thymine. Holeopathic satellite squared is cytosine. So those first four phases of the DNA but I have the prominent Dobbs quadrant because the Dobbs quadrant is the Rumplestiltskin influencing it all. This is where I state, those guys were enhancing what I was going to do and I am fulfilling what they were doing blah blah blah. It is all us doing it in the waiting period before the organic bodies show up and Carolyn is the organic bodies part, the hexad. In the Dobbs quadrant you have uracil, which indicates RNA. What is remarkable is that my chart, in retrospect, this is like the new periodic table, showing the importance of RNA. I had different reasons, media reasons why I put RNA. Basically it’s information messaging overload society so the RNA actually -this is what I thought 15 years ago-is dominating. But I didn’t know the RNA was more important technically- as iON talks about it-than the DNA. I just knew we were in an aberrate situation where the RNA was dominating the situation-now it turns out to be useful.
iON: And this is where we are, verse 11.
GINNEY: “And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.”
2:29:36
iON: And he said unto me, -Bob you -must prophesy again before many -at least 11- peoples, -every week-and nations, - every time you call the Secret Council- and tongues-every language- and kings-that’s those in power that call you saying “what the fuck do I do?”
BOB: My biography, right there.
iON: For no clearer purpose other than cleaning up what is you’ve been trying to clean up this last 40 years in the damn desert.
2:31:44
BOB: You’ve got three phases. You’ve got the extension of our senses-that’s the analog. You have the machines extend themselves-that’s the digital. You have the extension of nonphysical-which is what we are doing now with iONdom. I am replaying what was done in the analog phase, which goes way back to the minor and Major Prophets, back to the writing and the fall. You have the Android Meme replaying all this rapidly for 30 or 40 years. You do have the “again” and then I’m pointing out the Android Meme is replaying it again so definitely the ‘again thing’ and I know I am saying it again. But it is pointing to the organic bodies and all this communication…
iON: It’s the androidal archetype.
BOB: With the RNA metaphor happening, the RNA was pointing to the organic body but that was not known during the analog and the digital phase, which I was part of. That is how I understand the “again”.
iON: And the shift thereof, because you shifted from analog to digital and now you can start fully using analog the way you developed it the first time-but that’s a different conversation.
BOB: Right, and I always say: this chart does point to the third phase, to the beyond the Android Meme. That is what I’m pointing to but for some reason I saw Carolyn’s work as the manifestation of that.
2:40:57
BOB: Is the little book symbolized in the diagram?
iON: Yes, it contains the thunders.
BOB: Oh, the thunders are the content of the little book?
iON: A portion.
2:41:18
iON: That particular ring was the thunders and those thunders were listed in the little book, in chapter 10.
BOB: Yeah, that was ring four.
2:42:15
BOB: The Angels’ chart is the crystal point of the 22 chapters, from the Angels’ perspective.
2:43:02
BOB: My chart is the human version of the diagram that we are seeing from the Angels’ version/perspective.
2:45:38
BOB: There is nothing in the Vatican Bible scholars…has anybody wondered what the little book was the last 2000 years?
iON: Of course.
BOB: Oh, okay, so there has been theological wanderings about it.
GINNEY: More than wandering. Conclusions and hypothesis and assertion and everything else like that but like iON says, it would be difficult to have as much historical plication as in Revelation tied in with any of their interpretations because they take the beginning of the Bible as though it was the beginning and they tie it historically through all of these different points as though the past is past and the future is future, because they interpret the entire Bible based on the false premise of time.
iON: Even though in the very book that they are describing, speaks of specifically the ending of time. I mean, how cross is that?
2:48:00
GREGG: iON, in the description of “one foot in the sea and one foot on the land” being Living Water, Bread of Life-which of course the whole RNA sequence started that going-I mean, if that wasn’t available to people what is available to them for their Ascension to be complete without those two ingredients?
iON: No thing contained in heaven or earth, other than that.
2:53:53
iON: You all are starting to see the theme of this here, now. What’s happening is, your knowing is superseding the conjecture of what you have been exposed to so far.
BOB: iON, that describes me. I’ve lived as if I was knowing beyond the conjecture of what we knew so far.
iON: Of course but it didn’t do you a damn lickety split good until you can apply it. That’s the sweet by-and-by; we are trying to get it worked out in the dirty here and now.
3:03:09
iON: How does the Seven Thunders apply?
BOB: Why is it in that position in the diagram?
iON: Because from outside in it would be the hedge to get you to the place where one foot on the land and one foot on the sea would make a damn lickety split difference in your world or not.
3:04:07
BOB: So the levels of heaven would happen further out on the way towards that, towards the thunders.
iON: Yes.
3:05:10
iON: The thunders have what job in the human, individual creators, of coming into their place of power?
3:07:01
iON: What the question is: you becoming from human to God. Well, you already are. The recollection that you are is what the thunders do for you. The knowing that you are is what the thunders help you out with.
BOB: Yeah, that’s the getting through the mortar to the stone- might be a factor in that.
3:08:29
BOB: McLuhan interpreted the Ten Thunders as referring to technological media environments. They are always invisible- what they are really doing. The technological media environments are the world of mortar so I just naturally go bias- the thunder invokes mortar. That’s why I’m going that way.
iON: If that’s the case, you say vis-à-vis the thunders.
BOB: What will be vis-à-vis the thunders?
iON: The stone.
3:09:39
GINNEY: I want to start over and I want to read it again from beginning to end, and let’s see what jumps out.
“And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.” [Rev 10:2-11]
3:15:35
BOB: First phase was the analog, general evolution of technologies. Landing on the Moon and the satellite arch. Then you have the Android Meme does it again and then iON comes in and does it again and completes it and pushes it into a new zone-that is phase three. This thing is talking about the transition from phase two into phase three.
GINNEY: “Sealing up” can also mean the end of thinking, too.
BOB: Oh, yeah, definitely. Do you know when thinking ended? With the printing press; that’s why Descartes said “I think, therefore I am”. When you start noticing something, like the thinking process and analyzing it and do the printing press- it’s not a visible environment, it’s not a viable thing, it’s not happening anymore.
iON: Oh, so Bob, you’re saying that it is no longer a thinking man’s game?
BOB: Right.
3:16:41
BOB: To really get how the Guf is emptying since the telegraph, McLuhan helps you to improve your images of ‘vow, the thinking of the chemical body ended with the printing press. Man being a robot for 300 or 400 years, then the electric age starts to free him from the robotic phase but that is still within the Android Meme. Then you have to see through of what freed you from the printing press and that gets you to the iON/ nonphysical extensions.
3:18:51
BOB: The seventh angel is the guy who comes forward and says” it’s sealed”, right? Or, the seventh angel guides the person who does that?
iON: Yes, it is an Angel.
BOB: So the seventh Angel helped me do the chart.
iON: Of course.
3:19:26
BOB: It’s the world of communication, it is the world of mortar and the outer kingdom is the thing that melts away. It’s the sense of society…One of the hardest things for people to understand about iON is…Eben Ray has this problem: “What do you mean, just be selfish, and not be concerned about your fellow man?” iON threatens that meme.
3:27:43
BOB: There is one meaning ‘heaven and earth’ but’ land and sea’ actually is more precise about staying in the physical/the land versus going to the Guf/ the sea. And you have this decision at this point, when everything is sealed.
3:35:27
BOB: The thing about the Bible, which was slightly boring to me when we were first doing it- it says what’s going to happen, then tells you it happened. I found that the general pattern was: “if you guys don’t get your shit together then crap is going to happen.” Each chapter would give a different version of the crap but it was always aspects of repeating the Armageddon.
3:36:32
BOB: Think of McLuhan’s tetrad. When a new environment extends the senses it obsolesces something but retrieves something that was obsolesced a long time ago. Brings that back and then it flips into its opposite characteristics.
3:37:19
BOB: When you are inside this sphere and it’s pulsating and you are in there on the throne floating around and all of these dynamic, you will see like the famous Edgar Allen Poe story that McLuhan quoted: Two brothers are out on sea. A storm comes, the ship starts to sink. One brother ties himself to the masthead and thinks that will save him. The other brother notices: ”hmmm, there is an interesting whirlpool going on here and some barrels and debris goes down into the whirlpool, disappears then pops back up. So he grabbed one of the barrels that was sucked down and he knew he would pop back up. His brother took a rigid position, tied himself to the mast and held on for dear life-he died. So, the vortex of the Book of Revelation, that’s the spiral we get into in supplement C. You know that chart; John goes over the chart over and over again, making new aspects-think of that as the vortex. We are in the middle of the vortex of the sphere and watching what comes back or what gets extended or what gets flipped into an Armageddon. So you can actually see the tetrad is a flowing process inside the sphere.
3:52:42
BOB: McLuhan was talking about the super angelization of men. When he first broached the topic he would say “angels”. But then you’d found out he was saying: no, the image of the angel is obsolete. Humanity now is super angel. What he meant by that is and he would say: the Angel can be wherever it wants to be but wherever it is and wherever it goes to that is the only place it is at that moment. Then it goes to another place, it’s like the image of astral projecting. That is the projection of the chemical body; be all over the place but wherever it is- is the only place it is. When you get on the telephone, radio or TV…Barbara Frum was a super Angel. She was in everybody’s living room TV and everywhere else. She was in more place than one so she was better than the Angel. The Angel could be in everybody’s house but does it one by one, so to speak. When she simultaneously can be everywhere at 10 o’clock when the news comes on-that’s a super Angel. That’s the way you begin to think about the new shape of the Angel. Because the technology is changing what an Angel could be and humans are becoming like a super Angel.
3:54:45
iON: Now, on land and sea descending,
Brings the night its peace profound;
Let our vesper hymn be blending
With the holy calm around.
Jubilate! Jubilate! Jubilate! Amen!
Let our vesper hymn be blending
With the holy calm around.
Soon as dies the sunset glory,
Stars of heaven shine out above,
Telling still the ancient story--
Their Creator’s changeless love.
Jubilate! Jubilate! Jubilate! Amen!
Telling still the ancient story --
Their Creator’s changeless love.
Now, our wants and burdens leaving
To His care Who cares for all,
Cease we fearing, cease we grieving,
At His touch our burdens fall.
Chorus
As the darkness deepens o’er us
Lo! eternal stars arise;
Hope and faith and love rise glorious,
Shining in the Spirit’s skies.
Jubilate! Jubilate! Jubilate! Amen!
Hope and faith and love rise glorious,
Shining in the Spirit’s skies.
iON: Dimitri Bortnianski (1751-1825) the alternate version is from Samuel Longfellow (1819-1892)
3:59:47
BOB: If you were asked to define the thunder, what would you say?
GREGG: If I had to define the thunders I would say it was the canceling of time.
BOB: The affects are the thunders- if we take thunders as conventional noise-it is the shaking that would be the affect of the effect of "end of time”.
4:04:01
BOB: McLuhan defined the history of media as the history of communication. We now call it the dialect between the stone and mortar. Many of the human creations- beasts, what the Vials talk about-is about mortar. We used to say that the beasts were the fearful things that people huddle in society from. The fears are communicated through the mortar, if you want to make the traditional image of beasts are frightening.
4:04:45
iON: The message to the Churches-John didn’t say:” Look out, bad times are coming” he was saying:” No, you guys got to get your act together about how are going to communicate what you are doing.” It was about how you take your Christian breakthrough into the world of mortar. Mortar is a broad term, like media.
4:05:19
iON: You’ve got the beast on the white horse, you’ve got the beast on the red horse and then you’ve got the beast on the black horse and then you’ve got the beast on the pale horse. That goes into the seals of chapter 6.
4:07:18
iON: Through the first four seals it lays out the four beasts. It divides the beasts into four, then it lays in the beasts saying and speaking and making inferences and references of horses, bridled horses. Each one of those impetuses had different directions and gills by which they had to operate. Those are represented individually as the horses and individually as the beast. You got to go right back up to Chapter 5:14
“And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.” [Rev 5:14]
The four beasts are the references. Once you get that cleaned up, then you start the seals. Until you break the seals those beast on those four horses will have their way with you.
4:09:50
iON: “And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,” [Rev 4:9]
See, once you get on the throne to beast gets under the bed. But until you get on the throne and the seals ,you are screwed. The representation of the beast and why they are called creatures/beasts is also referenced in 4:7
“And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.” [Rev 4:7]
We are going to have to go all the way to Ezekiel 1:10 and then jump to 10:4 to get that out. Those beasts are the representation of the seals. The beasts are a way to describe what they are like, because it’s up to the human creators to embrace that. You created a hell, too, you see. So, that’s what that is like. You had the impetus of what it actually is.
4:12:04
BOB: After all that, what would you tell somebody the beast is?
BRIAN: Four levels of like troubles and trials and tribulations.
BOB: Yeah, emotional effects or emotional projections, the range of emotions – the inner kingdom.
4:13:21
BOB: What are the seals do and what are they?
4:13:51
BRIAN: In essence the seals are just part of a meme that include also the church, trumpet and vial.
4:14:15
BOB: Yeah, the trumpets the seals, the churches-all those divisions are all part of mortar.
4:14:44
BOB: You got the trumpets, you got the seals, you got the beast, you got the Lamb, you got the churches, the vials. They are all human created projections that have emotional effects.
4:15:50
BOB: That’s interesting; the seven layers of heaven are the seven media, the seven human creations of mortar. Because it’s all about taking your own power and you do not care about society, to put it crudely. You can still be a compassionate person but you’re very not- involved. All of the beast and trumpets and churches are the effects of being involved. Attempts to protect it, to seal it, to hide it from the uninitiated, the way society runs itself and it is all overcome the more you get your own power through the stone wisdom.
4:17:19
BOB: Dealing with contrast-the rock world, the stone world has contrast but knows how to deal with it. The less you deal with it the more you create a dependency on other people and an idea about it, which is a bunch of words then that becomes a book about it. The beasts are obviously the extensions of the drama within the life of the stone. The drama within the stone knows how to handle and has very little contrast. You start to concretize it, embed it in some social grouping or outer kingdom. That’s when you get the meme, the medium or the beast or the seven realms of heaven. Think of heaven, the cliché thing, where it is supposed to be the place where you get protected. People get together and have their meme affect on each other because they are trying to protect each other because they are operating on a fear. The little man is like that and the essence of that is the Dark Soul. The Dark Soul is the beginning of the creation of a medium or a meme or a beast. And then the Angels are created to deal with that. You can jockey within the tribal mortar for position of power, like Hitler used Angels, and you know, things happen. The Angels are part of… the whole ‘fall of man’ is getting lost in the realm of speech-or what iON says language- which then becomes divided into all kinds of invented forms of language which is the later media phases.
4:19:29
BOB: How much do you speak to another person-that’s the drama of life. What do you tell them? The Emeralds Tablets and the Bible is about what does the ascended man says to the little man. And there is a whole ecology spelled out in the Emerald Tablets of how you let the little man run around in their situation. You actually give them religions to distract them from you. It is like social engineering.
4:21:12
BOB: That’s the eternal human drama, you know, caveman meets another caveman. Now you are a super Angel who can communicate with other super Angels, the same eternal drama for the stone part of yourself. Today it is a super Angel condition.
4:23:49
BOB: You will still engage with people in speech and media, do you know what I mean? You’re still there to interact with but you can say, go strangely dim or you will enjoy it better.
4:25:16
BOB: We’ve got a million people/churches talking about the Bible and you get lost in analyzing it in the old context. iON is a guide and iON can kick the Bible out, we do not need it. But it is part of our contrast, part of our meme world so we go in and slice it up. The message from iON is: there is no significance to this book. All those people running around today providing Christian analysis -or Hindu or whatever-they believe in their gloomy world they believe in their medium. They haven’t got to the point we have and we got to this point because we got iON activating-that is what is different. We don’t even need to get into anybody else’s version of the Bible. They take it seriously, we don’t. We can talk intelligently about it, take it serious with someone I meet on the road and of course they are going to be shocked at how I take it, if I use iON knowledge.
iON: Better than that, there aren’t very many Bible thumpers thumping- if you get this just right-that can even keep up with you. They’ll go:” I don’t know what you’ve been smoking, but I want some of that.”
BOB: Because we have a better organization in our mind of the structure of the book they are trying to figure out…
iON: …that they are trying to cram down on your throat hole.
4:27:56
BOB: Farrer was describing how to look at the Revelation and McLuhan said this is the perfect description of how to do Finnigans Wake. Farrer said John would have a track, go around it and get a basic pattern. Then he would go around it again and then fill in maybe the trumpets. Then he would go around it again and fill in the seals. He was going over a beginning map and then adding, overlaying on it.
4:30:35
iON: You’ve got to look at the Council of Nicaea and how their shit worked. You had people who didn’t necessarily read any language. They did a bit but specifically not necessarily. Most of them and the Council of Nicaea were copiers. They would beautifully transcribe what was laid before them. They did not know what it was but yet that is the Council of Nicaea, they were supposed to be able to read the languages. Most of that they were in charge of was in Aramaic and they get this version and it is in Greek. First thing that they do, they look at it and go:” What the fuck is this?” The Council of Nicaea’s response to what John sent was “what the fuck”. That outline gave the basic tenants or premise that more work was coming. They did not get it all at once because the second they said “what the fuck, get out, we’re not having this” then no more would have been included. It got up to 21 and then finally got it into an extrapolation which converted it into 22-because Bob likes 22 and everything-so that’s where they stopped.
4:32:00
iON: The Council of Nicaea barely had much of this work.
BOB: Of Chapter 23 or the whole thing.
iON: The whole thing.
BOB: Who got it later and how?
iON: You got it Bob.
4:32:29
BOB: You’re saying that John did a lot of writing and the Council only got a bit of it.
iON: Correct.
BOB: So what happened to what he wrote that did not get sent to the Council?
iON: It was chucked in a bucket.
BOB: It was never found.
iON: It was never ever completed.
BOB: The pieces of the papyrus -or whatever he junked –is that sitting somewhere, in the ground somewhere, in the garbage somewhere?
iON: No. It is gone.
4:34:08
BOB: Do you agree that the new way to look at this that John was giving media- ecological instructions to them. How to spread the word and to be careful not to get you lost in mortar. But everybody read the content of what was sent to the churches and thought it was a paranoid position of ”oh-oh, they are coming to get us, and if we don’t do this we are going to get knocked out, we might even get knocked out anyways.”
iON: It wasn’t that “they are going to get us ”the way that read was “they got you”.
4:35:00
GINNEY: Nobody is teaching the Bible as an Ascension process.
BOB: Nobody’s doing to stone part of the Bible and nobody is doing the mortar issue. We are doing both here.
4:35:40
GINNEY: Your whole neuron net is based on the outer kingdom until it is not. There is where or your patterns, where all your emotions, where everything comes from. Until you have the Bread and the Water your neuron net is jacked up.
BOB: By outer kingdom mixed in with inner kingdom.
4:36:50
BOB: And the chip landscape. Remember, this chip landscape is allowing nonphysical to create. So that is an interesting triumph.
4:37:38
iON: If Walternet is to Fringe what is Bobnet in correlation to the Revelation?
BOB: The mad scientist who is trying to remember what he laid out.
iON: You coined it Ginney Belle, it’s Bobnet. The neuronet conductivity and the capacitation is only limited by your engagement of Bobnet.
4:42:45
iON: “And she said, The glory is departed from Israel: for the ark of God is taken.”
The Philistines, the first thing they do is they start sinning with the Ark. They were doing the nasty with the Ark.
4:45:45
GINNEY: “When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the LORD... and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him. Therefore neither the priests of Dagon, nor any that come into Dagon's house, tread on the threshold of Dagon in Ashdod unto this day But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof. And when the men of Ashdod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us: for his hand is sore upon us, and upon Dagon our god. They sent therefore and gathered all the lords of the Philistines unto them, and said, What shall we do with the ark of the God of Israel? And they answered, Let the ark of the God of Israel be carried about unto Gath. And they carried the ark of the God of Israel about thither. “[1 Samuel 5:2-7]
So they took the Ark and they put it in another place.
4:48:29
GINNEY: “And it was so, that, after they had carried it about, the hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts.” [1 Samuel 5:9]
iON: They got it shoved up the ass.
GINNEY:” Therefore they sent the ark of God to Ekron. And it came to pass, as the ark of God came to Ekron, that the Ekronites cried out, saying, They have brought about the ark of the God of Israel to us, to slay us and our people. So they sent and gathered together all the lords of the Philistines, and said, Send away the ark of the God of Israel, and let it go again to his own place, that it slay us not, and our people: for there was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there. And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven.” [ 1 Samuel 5:10-12]
iON: What we’re trying to get here very specifically…we will just draw a parallel. We get relaxed and easy and sort of let it flow and let the river run and let the dreamers wake the nation. What we are telling you all: there is a power we are dealing with here. There is a power you’re dealing with here.
4:50:34
BOB: We’ve got to the day where we cannot play…
iON:…and get by.
BOB: If we don’t play, what do we do?
iON: Sit not in your less-than place.
BOB: Every new technology – McLuhan called it second nature – you couldn’t get rid of them. They would go through changes but speech and these things carry on. Everything that’s created has being given charisma by the cultures, all the different religions and is powerful. You cannot disrespect the power of inventions by humans.
4:51:33
iON: There is a capacitation of this sword that you now can wield. It’s pure power, meaning it is not good, it is not bad, it is just power.
BOB: Understanding the Bible is pure power?
4:52:02
BOB: We’re trying to get the human creators back to their Ark. Build an Ark! Head for the open waters! Save your sons and daughters ! Build an Ark!
4:52:27
GREGG: If the ark was opened… iON: It is. GREGG: And we dipped our hands in…iON: You have. GREGG: Then that power is…iON: …is heavy with you. GREGG: It’s heavy with us. But how would anyone dip their hands in the ark? I mean obviously there are enough biblical references where people did that and used it for purposes… Because there is no right or wrong, so how could they do wrong with it, if they are hands were dipped in the ark?
iON: Intention, intention, intention, intention,, intention. You stir your sour mash with the wrong intention and you will be like little bunny Foo Foo.
4:56:09
GINNEY: The Android Meme and the proliferation of media and literature have desensitized human creators to the word.
iON: And they did that under the false premise of language.
4:56:37
iON: The only reason the Ark is significant is because you marvelous human creators imbued it with power, and named it. You got it all loved up and now you don’t want to love it.
4:59:06
BOB: What you’re talking about is appreciating the world of mortar.
iON: No. We are talking about recognizing the world of mortar for what it is.
BOB: Once you have your word power going you can interact with mortar or contrast, better than the Philistines did with the Ark; because, there is a power to mortar.
iON: Sure, there is a power to mortar but what the power to mortar is what you used to be able to build great big walls that isolate you from your place of power. It is how you got this crossness with the Ark in this dark place.
4:59:46
BOB: There is a new point being made here by that story. The media or the inventions or the second nature that humans make is extensions of the word. The word is powerful, language is an extension and all the later inventions are extensions of the word. And that’s what we mean by the Angels’ shape. In other words what I’m saying is…how do you understand this new shape of the Angels? Is to understand the power and not get too uptight about the mortar. You can say you got it but your words are not going to be enough because iON has to change his words every month to keep the acumen, the perception of being not trapped while in the chip landscape doing Cash Flow. That’s something we have to look at, that’s advanced perception of the situation. Not saying:” oh, I am afraid of mortar, I’ll stay away so it cannot trap me”. No, no. It is here forever, the Ark is here forever.
5:02:59
GINNEY: “You’ve gotten to the today where you cannot play and get by anymore”. What do you mean by “play”?
iON: Play is the intention of how you are slinging your newfound place of power that you are proclaiming and then wielding it in language of mortar where you just stance yourself in.
5:04:24
iON: We’re talking about the difference between stones and mortar. But ain’t nobody said how the mortar gets with the rocks, yet. We hope one day they do but they hadn’t yet.
GINNEY: Is that through intention?
iON: Absolutely, all through intention. That’s why we say ‘never mind’.
5:05:57
iON: If you have an intention and you start grinding that wheel -oh-oh, try that one out a little while.
6:06:07
iON: You have an intention, you get it, you are in play. You come into your place of power, you listen to what we had to say, you are embracing it. And the next thing you know you sort of find yourself crossways with it.
GINNEY: How? Give me an example.
5:06:38
iON: Misunderstandings of embracing of how to usurp the very thing that you’re trying to get desperately. Usurping, trying to glean and gain and get access to their place of power off the back of somebody else’s power. And then bitching and kvetching about how they are not included or they don’t choose to include.
5:07:27
iON: What that does on the other side, it sets a stone. That is the standard by which the individual human creator judges. They judge themselves but it sets the judge in place. But we are into a new world and the New World says that that intention of the Coming for which we have eternity, and so do you, so it’s no issue for us. You get it or you get it or you get it. But at the same time, it’s how you enjoy the trip is this process, okay?
5:09:26
iON: The reference of engaging, pushing , calling out nonphysical… Calling out nonphysical doesn’t affect us but if it gets right up our nose it does because we know the intention with it. Because the intention is what you use as your point of creation. Once you get to that place, all of a sudden, now you are lost.
BOB: David Worcester said it on May 19 but the old Cosmic Awareness thing was: the motive is the means is the end. ‘Motive’ I would interpret as intention. The intention is the means is the end. Would you agree with that?
iON: It is what gauges the motivation.
5:10:30
iON: You are a marvelous, you are human, and you are creators. You can adjust and shift that, but it is not up to us, it is up to the individual.
5:10:55
GREGG: Remember when I had a session with iON and I said: iON, is appreciation and gratitude is like the KY of manifestation. And he said: “You fucking better believe it”. There was no wiggle room. So, intention and gratitude are kind of in the same category as to their power and effect.
GINNEY: But the Bible says that intention is from the heart.
iON: Exactly, and the heart is what sits as the judge and the jury, that sequesters the jury until the time the sentence is past.
5:11:43
iON: Heart is the only organ in the meat sack body that is held in a sack outside of you.
GREEG: And it is the only organ in the body that never has cancer.
iON: And the pericardium holds the heart outside of the body, that’s why you can transplant them. The heart of the matter is the matter of the heart, only.
BOB: Intent sees through, is involved but detached is appreciative in gratitude but yet willful.
iON: We like that, but be real careful with ‘willful’.
GREGG: Will does not come from the heart.
iON: Exactly.
5:13:04
GREGG: Gratitude, appreciation-whatever words you want to add to it-are from the heart. Right? Willingness comes from… We start to get into that foggy area of the labyrinth of the mind.
BOB: You get into the tetrad. The will extends, it has to obsolesce whatever it might get embedded in, retrieve something else and then flip into its opposite. That four-part process is the ratio between intention, will, appreciation and gratitude. It is a ratio.
iON: And if you don’t get stuck in any one of those steps you can get into shit and then ease right out of it. There is an if clause. If you get crossways at any point… we’ll just give you specifics: there are those who had offered their life force to be included in this particular arena, right here, right now. They have gotten themselves into a position where it is an absolute impossibility this moment, because of the intention.
5:15:26
iON: That doesn’t mean eternally, that just means this moment, at this moment.
5:18:56
GREGG: What’s the opposite of intention?
iON: Authority. We spoke about that more than we have anything else. The difference between power and authority.
5:19:40
iON: “I am God, I am more powerful than nonphysical, I created nonphysical and by God you got to do what I say. The faster you do it the better it’s going to be for everybody concerned.” When you start with nonphysical like that, fasten your seatbelts.
BOB: So, the Philistines’ story the Jews lost the Ark because they started to wield the Ark as authority, not power, so they had lost it for a while.
iON: They lost it, the Philistines got it, and it started screwing with the Philistines and they said: “Whoa, easy there trigger, move it over here.” All of them got sore rectums until they said: “Hey, give it back”. They gave it back to the Israelis and if you read on a little bit further, then the Israelis sin with the Ark.
5:32:31
iON: If you can get rid of authority you can have intention and it would not make any difference. If you can get rid of authority then your power would be real, just that, power.
5:35:04
BOB: Intention is a concept word. You can make it but it obsolesces some other concept but it will retrieve something and then flip into a disservice. So, always remember, there is no content to intention.
GREGG: How would it flip into a disservice?
BOB: Because you were indifferent to authority because you thought there was authority and something to be indifferent to. You gave content/power to authority and thought you were cool by not being concerned about it. You had a relationship with it. The point is: don’t have a relationship with anything. It becomes a model, a trap if you develop something. The four-part is: you create a relationship, it will obsolesce some older relationship but it will retrieve new things as you get trapped in it that you did not foresee and then will actually become the opposite of what you thought it would be good for. That is the process that happens in any cognition.
5:36:21
iON: If you get the concept of pure place of power…that knowing is superseded by all that stuff Bob just said. So you don’t even have to know that thing Bob just said. If the focus is only about the place of power-then you got it. Then the cares of life grows strangely dim and you don’t know, or you don’t care we don’t know if your problem is ignorance or apathy but you don’t know and you don’t care.
5:38:51
iON: Those that would get crossways with themselves -to the point that it is right up our nose and we acknowledge it, see it, know it, be it-rarely do they stay there. People are where they are and that’s no problem, it is when they get stuck there.
5:58:58
iON: It’s not where you are in life that counts , it’s where you stop.
“And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.” [Revelation 14:14-16]
Past damn tense.
“And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.” [Rev 14:17-20]
That’s’ referencing Megiddo.
1:07:15
GREGG: You love everybody-you love nobody.
BOB: Yeah, if everybody is an artist, then there is no art. That’s a Gutenberg thing to say: ‘there is art’ but it’s good to note that you have individualism and a genius is something that stands out, because not everybody is an artist. But in preliterate society everybody is an artist and they don’t have the issue of individual genius or amazing individuals. So I always think of that when iON says he loves everybody. It may not be a problem that he doesn’t love anybody but in an individualistic society, illiterate society -that’s a problem. If you love everybody then you don’t love anybody; nobody stands out, nobody can be an individual in relation to iON.
iON: Well, they are not.
BOB: I know. I’m not saying it’s a problem I’m just showing the technical difference.
1:09:38
BOB: Circle 1 is the four winds. Circle 2 is the four beasts and the Lamb.
1:10:29
GREGG: Circle 3 is the five Angels’ names.
1:14:09
BOB: The five names make an oval, so what is the ring outside that?
1:14:42
BOB: It’s the aethyrs. That’s the 30 and the 18 and the 49th is not known…that stuff.
1:16:40
BRIAN: All of Revelation is in that chart, somewhere?
iON: From the Angels perspective, that’s correct.
BOB: That would mean, iON that the seven realms of heaven are in this image.
iON: Of course.
1:17:44
BOB: Is the Guf in this chart?
iON: Yes.
1:19:14
iON: Name what ring it is: ABATH4Z
1:19:37
BOB: That would be the fourth ring.
1:19:51
iON: Starting at verse 2, which gives a tiny, little imprint of what that circle deals with.
GINNEY: “And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.” [Rev 10: 2, 3]
iON: How many thunders? How many letters do you have in that little circle?
GINNEY: Seven.
iON: Those are the thunders. We can go a little further to give a little background.
GINNEY: “And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:” [Rev 10:4-6]
1:21:27
iON: This is the canceling of time for the little man. We have been saying: there is no Time. Well, there isn’t, but human creators, little man can have Time if he creates time for Time. The thunders settle it. Notice how close in proximity this is to the rings. You are going to build these layers and tiers of these rings as you work out, and that is just wonderful and good. But if you noticed, we are starting from the inside out. What if the chart worked from the Angels perspective is from the outside in?
1:24:11
BOB: The five Angels- what was their role?
BRIAN: The four angels that are holding back the winds and the angel from the East that had the seal of the living God.
1:24:36
iON: One little caveat, just a tiny little thing, Bob, because you know there’s always more. When we get there, what you’re going to find is that the role of those particular named Angels is going to change to the first part of 23, when they are fighting, looking and searching out the Dark Soul. Their job title, their job this description is going to shift.
1:25:05
iON: From the Angels perspective, from the outside in, that’s the point where they are searching everywhere for the Dark Soul.
1:25:22
iON: We are just making a tiny, little caveat, and Ginney will make a little note. When we get back you’ll go: ”oh, oh, their job was this but now their job is part of this fighting business in heaven in the second war, where they start seeking out the Dark Soul.
1:26:17
BRIAN: The image that I have is this ‘inside out’ –‘outside in’ pulsating effect.
iON: Think of it as a moving sphere.
BOB: Yeah, you know the tesseract. When you go into Wikipedia they show you the tesseract. There are squares inside a sphere; it goes around inside the sphere and then it pops out-it is something like that action. It’s a Dan Winter animation.
iON: Okay, Lord Suffering Cats. So, verse 38 of God and the Messiah to Dwell with Man:
GINNEY: “In those days the Lord bade (them) to summon and testify to the children of earth concerning their wisdom: Show (it) unto them; for ye are their guides, and a recompense over the whole earth. For I and My son will be united with them for ever in the paths of uprightness in their lives; and ye shall have peace: rejoice, ye children of uprightness. Amen.”
iON: That the inference of what you’re finding out about the present job, in that particular circle.
BOB: What’s the present job?
iON: You were calling it a hedge or a protection.
BOB: So, you’re saying 38 is a description of going outside going in.
iON: Yeah, “them” is those angles.
BOB: The five Angels, the five names?
iON: Yes.
1:28:42
iON: The angels are “them” that is referenced here in verse 38.
BOB: Ring 3, those five names, they are the protecting Angels holding back the winds with the Angel of the East in there and then there are the seven thunders around them.
iON: Right, and the thunders can be “them” but actually the thunders become the” it”.
1:30:23
BOB: You have these Angels holding back the winds but the winds are not connected to this sentence in verse 38.
iON: Correct. That is a different ring entirely, Bob.
BOB: So the thunders are something different from the function of the winds.
iON: They are another ring.
1:34:04
iON: This is the circumcision of the heart ,going from the inside out.
1:42:16
BOB: Do you remember looking at the diagram and that whole, one big document and you’ve got the 18 keys and underneath that you have 30 little names or syllables. Those syllables are the aethyrs and above them are the 18 keys. Ring five involves all, 30+18.
1:48:03
BOB: We are back at the fifth ring, which is the aethyrs and the keys. Why would they be there?
1:50:06
GINNEY: “And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.”
BOB: Right, because the little book is iON that is to be written later and that might be my chart as part of that, to be written later.
1:58:51
iON: In the little book you lay out the thunders. We placed the thunders on which ring of your chart, so far?
BOB: Ring four.
1:59:27
iON: The thunders have a job.
1:59:38
iON: Pick up again in verse 7 of the little book. Maybe that will help to give a little more girth of the thunders’ job.
02:00:00
GINNEY: “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” [Rev10:7]
iON: Okay, hold it right there. Hey Bob, that’s where your mystery landscape gets exposed completely.
BOB: Whenever I hear the words “little book “that is a reference to iON. So, are you connecting iON to the mystery landscape being exposed?
iON: Well, if it comes of God, a mystery of God - which is you all - that it should be finished, then okay, no problem. It’s not necessarily about us in this reference; it is about what the job is that this particular ring concludes.
2:01:03
BOB: You’re saying something is concluded.
iON: The mystery is.
2:01:36
GINNEY: What iON is saying is that the job of the seven thunders is to complete the mystery landscape. That mystery landscape, being that we have been a noise, will continue to be god and everything that we thought was a mystery wasn’t really a mystery, because we created it. We are the gods that created it, named it and established it.
iON: And “as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” --that is your chart, Bob.
BOB: That sentence you just said refers to my chart?
iON: Yeah, because you’ve been telling them and telling them and telling them it’s in your chart, but they had not got your chart yet. Well, with the thunders--they will.
2:02:37
iON: “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” [Rev10:7]
BOB: Am I the “he”?
iON: Uhhmm.
BOB: I see, because the chart is about a finishing and it has reference to Joyce’s Ten Thunders. Okay, I can see that fitting.
iON: But the impact is from the mystery landscape or the mystery of God that should be finished. It doesn’t have to be sounded; it is when he shall begin to sound.
BOB: Right, in the chart you got the radio, TV, computer satellite quadrants anthropomorphizes LaRouche, McLuhan, Thompson and Kroker. I position myself on the fifth quadrant - there’s only four quadrants, I call myself the fifth quadrant - permeating all of them and I was the representative of the mystery landscape. That technically is how I thought of what I was doing, my role in the chart.
iON: That is exactly spot on and you got the other reference from Revelation 2, of how that implies which is also in your chart. But this is the first reference that quotes exactly that process that you have been singing to everybody that would be still - now gets to be known by everyone who even begins to hear the sound.
BOB: Right and you said “he declared to his prophets” -- who are his prophets, my prophets?
iON: Who are “his servants the prophets”?
BOB: Yeah, what we jokingly call the SubDeanies, the ones who listened.
2:04:54
iON: There are Major and Minor Prophets, those who spake the word of the Lord. There is a little bit of dogma in that reference but it’s okay, it is self-cleaning. Those that have the balls to get up and say: “I have created a new civilization” before it’s complete – well, it is the “his servants, the prophets”. From the Ascension-not ascending, not ascended-world, which you are well on your way from the inside out. From the Angels perspective it would very well be a decree from one on the throne.
BOB: Yeah, I understand my chart being in this section with the little book, because the manifesting of iON started to put new relevance on my chart.
2:06:17
iON: This chart has to do with the Angels’ perspective. We are just pulling it back through so you get in full cognizance of how it affects the effects to the Angels. That’s what this particular section is about. It is how you can get from the Angels charted perspective, so in your godship you will know how to call what you are ushering. The Scriptures are just damn riddled with angels coming in and smoting things. Everything done that humans don’t do themselves is done by an Angel.
2:08:52
BOB: We create, and it’s an involvement with the chip body, which means that nonphysical is shaped, mutated by the interaction with the chip body. That aspect is what my chart seems to be about, the new shapes. I said in a private session that the new landscapes, TV and that, they are the new Angels that smote people, they smote civilizations by changing the dynamics and citizens don’t understand why the situation changes.
2:10:15
GINNEY:” And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.”
2:11:58
iON: So it means it’s got one foot in the water and one foot on the land. So therefore there is a merging going on. Bob, this in your chart comes back down to the Tiny Note .You get up to the Tiny Note now, and you come into your chart and you start marrying 1 foot on the sea 1 foot on the earth. We could extrapolate and say Bread of Life, Leaving Water, okay? But we didn’t, but we could. Bob, tell us about the Tiny Note in your chart.
BOB: First of all I want to say that I talked about the Living Water 15 years ago. The fifth quadrant has the D-Cell, the Living Water and all that stuff in it. That’s why “waiting for organic bodies”, so that Living Water aspect has always been in the chart, that’s why that fits.
iON: We did not want you to qualify; we want you to talk about the Tiny Note, Bob.
BOB: Zappa – in his cosmos everything was a vibration reflecting off the big note.
iON: That’s what we are talking about here, the big note and a tiny note. What’s the section it’s in? It’s in the little book. There’s more said in the little book than there is necessarily in the big note. That’s why Bob’s Tiny Note is referenced here and it is so subtle it can blow you away before you ever knew you heard it. So, Tiny Note, Zappa with a side of Beefheart…go ahead.
BOB: The last week’s Fringe-Walter talks about some underlying vacuum and it is a sound. He was seeing that the big note was coming out of the radio transmission and it was a negative projection. The ‘big note’ idea was what Carolyn and I was saying when watching it. The tiny note is satirical. Zappa is talking about the big note, I say: well, this is a little note, tiny note. You have the word ‘xenochrony’ in the subtitle of the chart and xenochrony is a word Zappa coined.
iON: You see the credible relevance of that reference of your chart to this inference because out of this little book we are fixing to find out how significant the Tiny Note is. You see how we are lining it up right back into your flow, outside of what you call the empirical reference Scriptures but inside the essence of creation of the first book of the Bible.
2:15:19
BOB: So the phrase ‘holeopathic’ is a hologram that shrinks. Over the last 30 years the hologram that the satellites created digitally got shrunk so they are more potent, like homeopathy. So, I combined hologram with a homeopathy and you get holeopathic. The Tiny Note is more powerful as we get closer to the end of the beginning. The other thing is—McLuhan said: “My stuff is very difficult, I don’t pretend to understand it.” That implies a channeling there. You can see if the Angel was guiding him. It’s making me think of Zappa and say: okay, he’s got big note, put in tiny note. It’s like he’s guiding me to refer to stuff that I don’t even know it’s going to be in there, so it’s a kind of channeling when you do it.
iON: Or vice versa. Maybe it was you affecting Zappa.
2:16:24
BOB: T.S. Eliot said that every new, important work clarified all the works that went before. Like Shakespeare clarified Homer, Eliot clarified Shakespeare. Each new addition enhances the meaning of the past but also is an important, new thing in itself. That’s how I see the echoing of the prophets that line refers to. I am enhancing the prophets, showing what they meant and they were talking what I talk about. Something like that?
iON: Back to The Hollow Men, yes.
BOB: What we were doing in the 20th century and right now in the last decade, we found out what the Bible means. We are now helping those prophets what they were really talking about. Nobody got what they were talking about until we showed up.
iON: And then it clarified it with pinpoint accuracy, not in the big note-but the tiny note.
BOB: That’s how I see, that was the joking part. McLuhan and Zappa and all these guys were prophets of me and Carolyn and that’s what I say on the radio. I always said they worked for me.
iON: That’s right. Granted, it is extreme when other folks are listening but that is the point.
2:18:03
BOB: My voice hagging the mike on this point over the last 20 years is in the world of mortar, not in the world of stone.
2:18:17
BOB: I am entering the world of the Android Meme or mortar, and making this stuff so it is kind of theatrical. It is entering the world of language.
2:18:30
iON: The Zionists would say: so is John’s version of the Revelation.
BOB: The Zionist would say what?
iON: That it was theatrical.
BOB: They would say what we are saying about John?
iON: No, what John said about John. The work of the Revelation-- they would say it had its theatrics involved. So, that’s the cleanup, that’s what the issue is. They say one thing and then they unsay it and then they say something else and then they unsay that. So, you have to come down to the final conclusion: if you believe the Bible you’ll have to believe that part of it is the truth and part of it is damn lie. Of course, once you get rid of ‘truth’ you don’t have that conversation or issue but the outside, big picture is trumped by the essence of the little book and the Tiny Note.
BOB: That’s why iON entered the world of mortar because the stone representative had to get in there and mix it up with the mortar, because the mortar was just confusing the hell out of everything.
2:22:41
GINNEY: “And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.” [Rev 10:9, 10]
2:23:12
BOB: So, you eat the little book-- that’s what the chart is about because it reads about of the Living Water and the Bread. That’s what the bottom line says: “waiting for organic bodies”. With the Living Water you get an organic body. So, that’s incredible that you eat the little book; that resonates even more with the chart.
iON: That’s exactly right. “It’s sweet and it’s bitter”…the RNA changer is the Bread of Life and the Living Water. It’ll be sweet when you first put it in your mouth but as soon as you eat it, it will make your belly bitter. And that bitterness is good, it serves you well, because what it actually does is change the Rh factor or your blood; it makes it different.
2:24:28
BRIAN: So, you’re saying that the RNA is the Bread of Life and Living Water.
iON: No. The Bread of Life and the Living Water is what will send new information to your RNA on a cellular level.
2:24:52
BRIAN: So, what is the RNA?
iON: The RNA is the actual capacitor that tells the DNA what to replicate-one double helix or 144,000 double helices, so each cell regenerates perfectly.
BOB: The RNA carries the information; it is the messenger that something new has come into the body.
iON: The same way, if you have something bitter in your belly that bitterness is conveyed. Otherwise how would you know that your belly was bitter if something did not tell your mind that your stomach was sour?
2:25:57
BOB: When I made this chart 15 years ago, I designed it so the RNA was more important. If you look at each quadrant-and it is like this angel diagram-it’s a picture of the cell but it also includes the electric media in it, which would be the new cosmos for the Angels. You have a LaRouche quadrant, which is a holeopathic, tiny, little radio/satellite. The satellite goes around the planet that is the last extension of analog media. The world in the 60s is inside the satellite proscenium arch, so the whole world is a hologram, a huge hologram. Then the digital comes along and shrinks the hologram, makes it tinier and tinier over the next 34 years. So that today the kids have all previous, huge, media environments in the palm of their hand. They have shrunk the satellite-this is how you get to the Tiny Note. The holeopathic radio/satellite: satellite refers to what went on in the analog, holeopathic means the digital. I call the holeopathic radio/satellite, the first word under it is “adenine”- one of the parts of the DNA. Holeopathic television/satellite-which is the McLuhan quadrant-guanine. Holeopathic computer/satellite-Thomson quadrant- is thymine. Holeopathic satellite squared is cytosine. So those first four phases of the DNA but I have the prominent Dobbs quadrant because the Dobbs quadrant is the Rumplestiltskin influencing it all. This is where I state, those guys were enhancing what I was going to do and I am fulfilling what they were doing blah blah blah. It is all us doing it in the waiting period before the organic bodies show up and Carolyn is the organic bodies part, the hexad. In the Dobbs quadrant you have uracil, which indicates RNA. What is remarkable is that my chart, in retrospect, this is like the new periodic table, showing the importance of RNA. I had different reasons, media reasons why I put RNA. Basically it’s information messaging overload society so the RNA actually -this is what I thought 15 years ago-is dominating. But I didn’t know the RNA was more important technically- as iON talks about it-than the DNA. I just knew we were in an aberrate situation where the RNA was dominating the situation-now it turns out to be useful.
iON: And this is where we are, verse 11.
GINNEY: “And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.”
2:29:36
iON: And he said unto me, -Bob you -must prophesy again before many -at least 11- peoples, -every week-and nations, - every time you call the Secret Council- and tongues-every language- and kings-that’s those in power that call you saying “what the fuck do I do?”
BOB: My biography, right there.
iON: For no clearer purpose other than cleaning up what is you’ve been trying to clean up this last 40 years in the damn desert.
2:31:44
BOB: You’ve got three phases. You’ve got the extension of our senses-that’s the analog. You have the machines extend themselves-that’s the digital. You have the extension of nonphysical-which is what we are doing now with iONdom. I am replaying what was done in the analog phase, which goes way back to the minor and Major Prophets, back to the writing and the fall. You have the Android Meme replaying all this rapidly for 30 or 40 years. You do have the “again” and then I’m pointing out the Android Meme is replaying it again so definitely the ‘again thing’ and I know I am saying it again. But it is pointing to the organic bodies and all this communication…
iON: It’s the androidal archetype.
BOB: With the RNA metaphor happening, the RNA was pointing to the organic body but that was not known during the analog and the digital phase, which I was part of. That is how I understand the “again”.
iON: And the shift thereof, because you shifted from analog to digital and now you can start fully using analog the way you developed it the first time-but that’s a different conversation.
BOB: Right, and I always say: this chart does point to the third phase, to the beyond the Android Meme. That is what I’m pointing to but for some reason I saw Carolyn’s work as the manifestation of that.
2:40:57
BOB: Is the little book symbolized in the diagram?
iON: Yes, it contains the thunders.
BOB: Oh, the thunders are the content of the little book?
iON: A portion.
2:41:18
iON: That particular ring was the thunders and those thunders were listed in the little book, in chapter 10.
BOB: Yeah, that was ring four.
2:42:15
BOB: The Angels’ chart is the crystal point of the 22 chapters, from the Angels’ perspective.
2:43:02
BOB: My chart is the human version of the diagram that we are seeing from the Angels’ version/perspective.
2:45:38
BOB: There is nothing in the Vatican Bible scholars…has anybody wondered what the little book was the last 2000 years?
iON: Of course.
BOB: Oh, okay, so there has been theological wanderings about it.
GINNEY: More than wandering. Conclusions and hypothesis and assertion and everything else like that but like iON says, it would be difficult to have as much historical plication as in Revelation tied in with any of their interpretations because they take the beginning of the Bible as though it was the beginning and they tie it historically through all of these different points as though the past is past and the future is future, because they interpret the entire Bible based on the false premise of time.
iON: Even though in the very book that they are describing, speaks of specifically the ending of time. I mean, how cross is that?
2:48:00
GREGG: iON, in the description of “one foot in the sea and one foot on the land” being Living Water, Bread of Life-which of course the whole RNA sequence started that going-I mean, if that wasn’t available to people what is available to them for their Ascension to be complete without those two ingredients?
iON: No thing contained in heaven or earth, other than that.
2:53:53
iON: You all are starting to see the theme of this here, now. What’s happening is, your knowing is superseding the conjecture of what you have been exposed to so far.
BOB: iON, that describes me. I’ve lived as if I was knowing beyond the conjecture of what we knew so far.
iON: Of course but it didn’t do you a damn lickety split good until you can apply it. That’s the sweet by-and-by; we are trying to get it worked out in the dirty here and now.
3:03:09
iON: How does the Seven Thunders apply?
BOB: Why is it in that position in the diagram?
iON: Because from outside in it would be the hedge to get you to the place where one foot on the land and one foot on the sea would make a damn lickety split difference in your world or not.
3:04:07
BOB: So the levels of heaven would happen further out on the way towards that, towards the thunders.
iON: Yes.
3:05:10
iON: The thunders have what job in the human, individual creators, of coming into their place of power?
3:07:01
iON: What the question is: you becoming from human to God. Well, you already are. The recollection that you are is what the thunders do for you. The knowing that you are is what the thunders help you out with.
BOB: Yeah, that’s the getting through the mortar to the stone- might be a factor in that.
3:08:29
BOB: McLuhan interpreted the Ten Thunders as referring to technological media environments. They are always invisible- what they are really doing. The technological media environments are the world of mortar so I just naturally go bias- the thunder invokes mortar. That’s why I’m going that way.
iON: If that’s the case, you say vis-à-vis the thunders.
BOB: What will be vis-à-vis the thunders?
iON: The stone.
3:09:39
GINNEY: I want to start over and I want to read it again from beginning to end, and let’s see what jumps out.
“And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.” [Rev 10:2-11]
3:15:35
BOB: First phase was the analog, general evolution of technologies. Landing on the Moon and the satellite arch. Then you have the Android Meme does it again and then iON comes in and does it again and completes it and pushes it into a new zone-that is phase three. This thing is talking about the transition from phase two into phase three.
GINNEY: “Sealing up” can also mean the end of thinking, too.
BOB: Oh, yeah, definitely. Do you know when thinking ended? With the printing press; that’s why Descartes said “I think, therefore I am”. When you start noticing something, like the thinking process and analyzing it and do the printing press- it’s not a visible environment, it’s not a viable thing, it’s not happening anymore.
iON: Oh, so Bob, you’re saying that it is no longer a thinking man’s game?
BOB: Right.
3:16:41
BOB: To really get how the Guf is emptying since the telegraph, McLuhan helps you to improve your images of ‘vow, the thinking of the chemical body ended with the printing press. Man being a robot for 300 or 400 years, then the electric age starts to free him from the robotic phase but that is still within the Android Meme. Then you have to see through of what freed you from the printing press and that gets you to the iON/ nonphysical extensions.
3:18:51
BOB: The seventh angel is the guy who comes forward and says” it’s sealed”, right? Or, the seventh angel guides the person who does that?
iON: Yes, it is an Angel.
BOB: So the seventh Angel helped me do the chart.
iON: Of course.
3:19:26
BOB: It’s the world of communication, it is the world of mortar and the outer kingdom is the thing that melts away. It’s the sense of society…One of the hardest things for people to understand about iON is…Eben Ray has this problem: “What do you mean, just be selfish, and not be concerned about your fellow man?” iON threatens that meme.
3:27:43
BOB: There is one meaning ‘heaven and earth’ but’ land and sea’ actually is more precise about staying in the physical/the land versus going to the Guf/ the sea. And you have this decision at this point, when everything is sealed.
3:35:27
BOB: The thing about the Bible, which was slightly boring to me when we were first doing it- it says what’s going to happen, then tells you it happened. I found that the general pattern was: “if you guys don’t get your shit together then crap is going to happen.” Each chapter would give a different version of the crap but it was always aspects of repeating the Armageddon.
3:36:32
BOB: Think of McLuhan’s tetrad. When a new environment extends the senses it obsolesces something but retrieves something that was obsolesced a long time ago. Brings that back and then it flips into its opposite characteristics.
3:37:19
BOB: When you are inside this sphere and it’s pulsating and you are in there on the throne floating around and all of these dynamic, you will see like the famous Edgar Allen Poe story that McLuhan quoted: Two brothers are out on sea. A storm comes, the ship starts to sink. One brother ties himself to the masthead and thinks that will save him. The other brother notices: ”hmmm, there is an interesting whirlpool going on here and some barrels and debris goes down into the whirlpool, disappears then pops back up. So he grabbed one of the barrels that was sucked down and he knew he would pop back up. His brother took a rigid position, tied himself to the mast and held on for dear life-he died. So, the vortex of the Book of Revelation, that’s the spiral we get into in supplement C. You know that chart; John goes over the chart over and over again, making new aspects-think of that as the vortex. We are in the middle of the vortex of the sphere and watching what comes back or what gets extended or what gets flipped into an Armageddon. So you can actually see the tetrad is a flowing process inside the sphere.
3:52:42
BOB: McLuhan was talking about the super angelization of men. When he first broached the topic he would say “angels”. But then you’d found out he was saying: no, the image of the angel is obsolete. Humanity now is super angel. What he meant by that is and he would say: the Angel can be wherever it wants to be but wherever it is and wherever it goes to that is the only place it is at that moment. Then it goes to another place, it’s like the image of astral projecting. That is the projection of the chemical body; be all over the place but wherever it is- is the only place it is. When you get on the telephone, radio or TV…Barbara Frum was a super Angel. She was in everybody’s living room TV and everywhere else. She was in more place than one so she was better than the Angel. The Angel could be in everybody’s house but does it one by one, so to speak. When she simultaneously can be everywhere at 10 o’clock when the news comes on-that’s a super Angel. That’s the way you begin to think about the new shape of the Angel. Because the technology is changing what an Angel could be and humans are becoming like a super Angel.
3:54:45
iON: Now, on land and sea descending,
Brings the night its peace profound;
Let our vesper hymn be blending
With the holy calm around.
Jubilate! Jubilate! Jubilate! Amen!
Let our vesper hymn be blending
With the holy calm around.
Soon as dies the sunset glory,
Stars of heaven shine out above,
Telling still the ancient story--
Their Creator’s changeless love.
Jubilate! Jubilate! Jubilate! Amen!
Telling still the ancient story --
Their Creator’s changeless love.
Now, our wants and burdens leaving
To His care Who cares for all,
Cease we fearing, cease we grieving,
At His touch our burdens fall.
Chorus
As the darkness deepens o’er us
Lo! eternal stars arise;
Hope and faith and love rise glorious,
Shining in the Spirit’s skies.
Jubilate! Jubilate! Jubilate! Amen!
Hope and faith and love rise glorious,
Shining in the Spirit’s skies.
iON: Dimitri Bortnianski (1751-1825) the alternate version is from Samuel Longfellow (1819-1892)
3:59:47
BOB: If you were asked to define the thunder, what would you say?
GREGG: If I had to define the thunders I would say it was the canceling of time.
BOB: The affects are the thunders- if we take thunders as conventional noise-it is the shaking that would be the affect of the effect of "end of time”.
4:04:01
BOB: McLuhan defined the history of media as the history of communication. We now call it the dialect between the stone and mortar. Many of the human creations- beasts, what the Vials talk about-is about mortar. We used to say that the beasts were the fearful things that people huddle in society from. The fears are communicated through the mortar, if you want to make the traditional image of beasts are frightening.
4:04:45
iON: The message to the Churches-John didn’t say:” Look out, bad times are coming” he was saying:” No, you guys got to get your act together about how are going to communicate what you are doing.” It was about how you take your Christian breakthrough into the world of mortar. Mortar is a broad term, like media.
4:05:19
iON: You’ve got the beast on the white horse, you’ve got the beast on the red horse and then you’ve got the beast on the black horse and then you’ve got the beast on the pale horse. That goes into the seals of chapter 6.
4:07:18
iON: Through the first four seals it lays out the four beasts. It divides the beasts into four, then it lays in the beasts saying and speaking and making inferences and references of horses, bridled horses. Each one of those impetuses had different directions and gills by which they had to operate. Those are represented individually as the horses and individually as the beast. You got to go right back up to Chapter 5:14
“And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.” [Rev 5:14]
The four beasts are the references. Once you get that cleaned up, then you start the seals. Until you break the seals those beast on those four horses will have their way with you.
4:09:50
iON: “And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,” [Rev 4:9]
See, once you get on the throne to beast gets under the bed. But until you get on the throne and the seals ,you are screwed. The representation of the beast and why they are called creatures/beasts is also referenced in 4:7
“And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.” [Rev 4:7]
We are going to have to go all the way to Ezekiel 1:10 and then jump to 10:4 to get that out. Those beasts are the representation of the seals. The beasts are a way to describe what they are like, because it’s up to the human creators to embrace that. You created a hell, too, you see. So, that’s what that is like. You had the impetus of what it actually is.
4:12:04
BOB: After all that, what would you tell somebody the beast is?
BRIAN: Four levels of like troubles and trials and tribulations.
BOB: Yeah, emotional effects or emotional projections, the range of emotions – the inner kingdom.
4:13:21
BOB: What are the seals do and what are they?
4:13:51
BRIAN: In essence the seals are just part of a meme that include also the church, trumpet and vial.
4:14:15
BOB: Yeah, the trumpets the seals, the churches-all those divisions are all part of mortar.
4:14:44
BOB: You got the trumpets, you got the seals, you got the beast, you got the Lamb, you got the churches, the vials. They are all human created projections that have emotional effects.
4:15:50
BOB: That’s interesting; the seven layers of heaven are the seven media, the seven human creations of mortar. Because it’s all about taking your own power and you do not care about society, to put it crudely. You can still be a compassionate person but you’re very not- involved. All of the beast and trumpets and churches are the effects of being involved. Attempts to protect it, to seal it, to hide it from the uninitiated, the way society runs itself and it is all overcome the more you get your own power through the stone wisdom.
4:17:19
BOB: Dealing with contrast-the rock world, the stone world has contrast but knows how to deal with it. The less you deal with it the more you create a dependency on other people and an idea about it, which is a bunch of words then that becomes a book about it. The beasts are obviously the extensions of the drama within the life of the stone. The drama within the stone knows how to handle and has very little contrast. You start to concretize it, embed it in some social grouping or outer kingdom. That’s when you get the meme, the medium or the beast or the seven realms of heaven. Think of heaven, the cliché thing, where it is supposed to be the place where you get protected. People get together and have their meme affect on each other because they are trying to protect each other because they are operating on a fear. The little man is like that and the essence of that is the Dark Soul. The Dark Soul is the beginning of the creation of a medium or a meme or a beast. And then the Angels are created to deal with that. You can jockey within the tribal mortar for position of power, like Hitler used Angels, and you know, things happen. The Angels are part of… the whole ‘fall of man’ is getting lost in the realm of speech-or what iON says language- which then becomes divided into all kinds of invented forms of language which is the later media phases.
4:19:29
BOB: How much do you speak to another person-that’s the drama of life. What do you tell them? The Emeralds Tablets and the Bible is about what does the ascended man says to the little man. And there is a whole ecology spelled out in the Emerald Tablets of how you let the little man run around in their situation. You actually give them religions to distract them from you. It is like social engineering.
4:21:12
BOB: That’s the eternal human drama, you know, caveman meets another caveman. Now you are a super Angel who can communicate with other super Angels, the same eternal drama for the stone part of yourself. Today it is a super Angel condition.
4:23:49
BOB: You will still engage with people in speech and media, do you know what I mean? You’re still there to interact with but you can say, go strangely dim or you will enjoy it better.
4:25:16
BOB: We’ve got a million people/churches talking about the Bible and you get lost in analyzing it in the old context. iON is a guide and iON can kick the Bible out, we do not need it. But it is part of our contrast, part of our meme world so we go in and slice it up. The message from iON is: there is no significance to this book. All those people running around today providing Christian analysis -or Hindu or whatever-they believe in their gloomy world they believe in their medium. They haven’t got to the point we have and we got to this point because we got iON activating-that is what is different. We don’t even need to get into anybody else’s version of the Bible. They take it seriously, we don’t. We can talk intelligently about it, take it serious with someone I meet on the road and of course they are going to be shocked at how I take it, if I use iON knowledge.
iON: Better than that, there aren’t very many Bible thumpers thumping- if you get this just right-that can even keep up with you. They’ll go:” I don’t know what you’ve been smoking, but I want some of that.”
BOB: Because we have a better organization in our mind of the structure of the book they are trying to figure out…
iON: …that they are trying to cram down on your throat hole.
4:27:56
BOB: Farrer was describing how to look at the Revelation and McLuhan said this is the perfect description of how to do Finnigans Wake. Farrer said John would have a track, go around it and get a basic pattern. Then he would go around it again and then fill in maybe the trumpets. Then he would go around it again and fill in the seals. He was going over a beginning map and then adding, overlaying on it.
4:30:35
iON: You’ve got to look at the Council of Nicaea and how their shit worked. You had people who didn’t necessarily read any language. They did a bit but specifically not necessarily. Most of them and the Council of Nicaea were copiers. They would beautifully transcribe what was laid before them. They did not know what it was but yet that is the Council of Nicaea, they were supposed to be able to read the languages. Most of that they were in charge of was in Aramaic and they get this version and it is in Greek. First thing that they do, they look at it and go:” What the fuck is this?” The Council of Nicaea’s response to what John sent was “what the fuck”. That outline gave the basic tenants or premise that more work was coming. They did not get it all at once because the second they said “what the fuck, get out, we’re not having this” then no more would have been included. It got up to 21 and then finally got it into an extrapolation which converted it into 22-because Bob likes 22 and everything-so that’s where they stopped.
4:32:00
iON: The Council of Nicaea barely had much of this work.
BOB: Of Chapter 23 or the whole thing.
iON: The whole thing.
BOB: Who got it later and how?
iON: You got it Bob.
4:32:29
BOB: You’re saying that John did a lot of writing and the Council only got a bit of it.
iON: Correct.
BOB: So what happened to what he wrote that did not get sent to the Council?
iON: It was chucked in a bucket.
BOB: It was never found.
iON: It was never ever completed.
BOB: The pieces of the papyrus -or whatever he junked –is that sitting somewhere, in the ground somewhere, in the garbage somewhere?
iON: No. It is gone.
4:34:08
BOB: Do you agree that the new way to look at this that John was giving media- ecological instructions to them. How to spread the word and to be careful not to get you lost in mortar. But everybody read the content of what was sent to the churches and thought it was a paranoid position of ”oh-oh, they are coming to get us, and if we don’t do this we are going to get knocked out, we might even get knocked out anyways.”
iON: It wasn’t that “they are going to get us ”the way that read was “they got you”.
4:35:00
GINNEY: Nobody is teaching the Bible as an Ascension process.
BOB: Nobody’s doing to stone part of the Bible and nobody is doing the mortar issue. We are doing both here.
4:35:40
GINNEY: Your whole neuron net is based on the outer kingdom until it is not. There is where or your patterns, where all your emotions, where everything comes from. Until you have the Bread and the Water your neuron net is jacked up.
BOB: By outer kingdom mixed in with inner kingdom.
4:36:50
BOB: And the chip landscape. Remember, this chip landscape is allowing nonphysical to create. So that is an interesting triumph.
4:37:38
iON: If Walternet is to Fringe what is Bobnet in correlation to the Revelation?
BOB: The mad scientist who is trying to remember what he laid out.
iON: You coined it Ginney Belle, it’s Bobnet. The neuronet conductivity and the capacitation is only limited by your engagement of Bobnet.
4:42:45
iON: “And she said, The glory is departed from Israel: for the ark of God is taken.”
The Philistines, the first thing they do is they start sinning with the Ark. They were doing the nasty with the Ark.
4:45:45
GINNEY: “When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. And when they of Ashdod arose early on the morrow, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth before the ark of the LORD... and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him. Therefore neither the priests of Dagon, nor any that come into Dagon's house, tread on the threshold of Dagon in Ashdod unto this day But the hand of the LORD was heavy upon them of Ashdod, and he destroyed them, and smote them with emerods, even Ashdod and the coasts thereof. And when the men of Ashdod saw that it was so, they said, The ark of the God of Israel shall not abide with us: for his hand is sore upon us, and upon Dagon our god. They sent therefore and gathered all the lords of the Philistines unto them, and said, What shall we do with the ark of the God of Israel? And they answered, Let the ark of the God of Israel be carried about unto Gath. And they carried the ark of the God of Israel about thither. “[1 Samuel 5:2-7]
So they took the Ark and they put it in another place.
4:48:29
GINNEY: “And it was so, that, after they had carried it about, the hand of the LORD was against the city with a very great destruction: and he smote the men of the city, both small and great, and they had emerods in their secret parts.” [1 Samuel 5:9]
iON: They got it shoved up the ass.
GINNEY:” Therefore they sent the ark of God to Ekron. And it came to pass, as the ark of God came to Ekron, that the Ekronites cried out, saying, They have brought about the ark of the God of Israel to us, to slay us and our people. So they sent and gathered together all the lords of the Philistines, and said, Send away the ark of the God of Israel, and let it go again to his own place, that it slay us not, and our people: for there was a deadly destruction throughout all the city; the hand of God was very heavy there. And the men that died not were smitten with the emerods: and the cry of the city went up to heaven.” [ 1 Samuel 5:10-12]
iON: What we’re trying to get here very specifically…we will just draw a parallel. We get relaxed and easy and sort of let it flow and let the river run and let the dreamers wake the nation. What we are telling you all: there is a power we are dealing with here. There is a power you’re dealing with here.
4:50:34
BOB: We’ve got to the day where we cannot play…
iON:…and get by.
BOB: If we don’t play, what do we do?
iON: Sit not in your less-than place.
BOB: Every new technology – McLuhan called it second nature – you couldn’t get rid of them. They would go through changes but speech and these things carry on. Everything that’s created has being given charisma by the cultures, all the different religions and is powerful. You cannot disrespect the power of inventions by humans.
4:51:33
iON: There is a capacitation of this sword that you now can wield. It’s pure power, meaning it is not good, it is not bad, it is just power.
BOB: Understanding the Bible is pure power?
4:52:02
BOB: We’re trying to get the human creators back to their Ark. Build an Ark! Head for the open waters! Save your sons and daughters ! Build an Ark!
4:52:27
GREGG: If the ark was opened… iON: It is. GREGG: And we dipped our hands in…iON: You have. GREGG: Then that power is…iON: …is heavy with you. GREGG: It’s heavy with us. But how would anyone dip their hands in the ark? I mean obviously there are enough biblical references where people did that and used it for purposes… Because there is no right or wrong, so how could they do wrong with it, if they are hands were dipped in the ark?
iON: Intention, intention, intention, intention,, intention. You stir your sour mash with the wrong intention and you will be like little bunny Foo Foo.
4:56:09
GINNEY: The Android Meme and the proliferation of media and literature have desensitized human creators to the word.
iON: And they did that under the false premise of language.
4:56:37
iON: The only reason the Ark is significant is because you marvelous human creators imbued it with power, and named it. You got it all loved up and now you don’t want to love it.
4:59:06
BOB: What you’re talking about is appreciating the world of mortar.
iON: No. We are talking about recognizing the world of mortar for what it is.
BOB: Once you have your word power going you can interact with mortar or contrast, better than the Philistines did with the Ark; because, there is a power to mortar.
iON: Sure, there is a power to mortar but what the power to mortar is what you used to be able to build great big walls that isolate you from your place of power. It is how you got this crossness with the Ark in this dark place.
4:59:46
BOB: There is a new point being made here by that story. The media or the inventions or the second nature that humans make is extensions of the word. The word is powerful, language is an extension and all the later inventions are extensions of the word. And that’s what we mean by the Angels’ shape. In other words what I’m saying is…how do you understand this new shape of the Angels? Is to understand the power and not get too uptight about the mortar. You can say you got it but your words are not going to be enough because iON has to change his words every month to keep the acumen, the perception of being not trapped while in the chip landscape doing Cash Flow. That’s something we have to look at, that’s advanced perception of the situation. Not saying:” oh, I am afraid of mortar, I’ll stay away so it cannot trap me”. No, no. It is here forever, the Ark is here forever.
5:02:59
GINNEY: “You’ve gotten to the today where you cannot play and get by anymore”. What do you mean by “play”?
iON: Play is the intention of how you are slinging your newfound place of power that you are proclaiming and then wielding it in language of mortar where you just stance yourself in.
5:04:24
iON: We’re talking about the difference between stones and mortar. But ain’t nobody said how the mortar gets with the rocks, yet. We hope one day they do but they hadn’t yet.
GINNEY: Is that through intention?
iON: Absolutely, all through intention. That’s why we say ‘never mind’.
5:05:57
iON: If you have an intention and you start grinding that wheel -oh-oh, try that one out a little while.
6:06:07
iON: You have an intention, you get it, you are in play. You come into your place of power, you listen to what we had to say, you are embracing it. And the next thing you know you sort of find yourself crossways with it.
GINNEY: How? Give me an example.
5:06:38
iON: Misunderstandings of embracing of how to usurp the very thing that you’re trying to get desperately. Usurping, trying to glean and gain and get access to their place of power off the back of somebody else’s power. And then bitching and kvetching about how they are not included or they don’t choose to include.
5:07:27
iON: What that does on the other side, it sets a stone. That is the standard by which the individual human creator judges. They judge themselves but it sets the judge in place. But we are into a new world and the New World says that that intention of the Coming for which we have eternity, and so do you, so it’s no issue for us. You get it or you get it or you get it. But at the same time, it’s how you enjoy the trip is this process, okay?
5:09:26
iON: The reference of engaging, pushing , calling out nonphysical… Calling out nonphysical doesn’t affect us but if it gets right up our nose it does because we know the intention with it. Because the intention is what you use as your point of creation. Once you get to that place, all of a sudden, now you are lost.
BOB: David Worcester said it on May 19 but the old Cosmic Awareness thing was: the motive is the means is the end. ‘Motive’ I would interpret as intention. The intention is the means is the end. Would you agree with that?
iON: It is what gauges the motivation.
5:10:30
iON: You are a marvelous, you are human, and you are creators. You can adjust and shift that, but it is not up to us, it is up to the individual.
5:10:55
GREGG: Remember when I had a session with iON and I said: iON, is appreciation and gratitude is like the KY of manifestation. And he said: “You fucking better believe it”. There was no wiggle room. So, intention and gratitude are kind of in the same category as to their power and effect.
GINNEY: But the Bible says that intention is from the heart.
iON: Exactly, and the heart is what sits as the judge and the jury, that sequesters the jury until the time the sentence is past.
5:11:43
iON: Heart is the only organ in the meat sack body that is held in a sack outside of you.
GREEG: And it is the only organ in the body that never has cancer.
iON: And the pericardium holds the heart outside of the body, that’s why you can transplant them. The heart of the matter is the matter of the heart, only.
BOB: Intent sees through, is involved but detached is appreciative in gratitude but yet willful.
iON: We like that, but be real careful with ‘willful’.
GREGG: Will does not come from the heart.
iON: Exactly.
5:13:04
GREGG: Gratitude, appreciation-whatever words you want to add to it-are from the heart. Right? Willingness comes from… We start to get into that foggy area of the labyrinth of the mind.
BOB: You get into the tetrad. The will extends, it has to obsolesce whatever it might get embedded in, retrieve something else and then flip into its opposite. That four-part process is the ratio between intention, will, appreciation and gratitude. It is a ratio.
iON: And if you don’t get stuck in any one of those steps you can get into shit and then ease right out of it. There is an if clause. If you get crossways at any point… we’ll just give you specifics: there are those who had offered their life force to be included in this particular arena, right here, right now. They have gotten themselves into a position where it is an absolute impossibility this moment, because of the intention.
5:15:26
iON: That doesn’t mean eternally, that just means this moment, at this moment.
5:18:56
GREGG: What’s the opposite of intention?
iON: Authority. We spoke about that more than we have anything else. The difference between power and authority.
5:19:40
iON: “I am God, I am more powerful than nonphysical, I created nonphysical and by God you got to do what I say. The faster you do it the better it’s going to be for everybody concerned.” When you start with nonphysical like that, fasten your seatbelts.
BOB: So, the Philistines’ story the Jews lost the Ark because they started to wield the Ark as authority, not power, so they had lost it for a while.
iON: They lost it, the Philistines got it, and it started screwing with the Philistines and they said: “Whoa, easy there trigger, move it over here.” All of them got sore rectums until they said: “Hey, give it back”. They gave it back to the Israelis and if you read on a little bit further, then the Israelis sin with the Ark.
5:32:31
iON: If you can get rid of authority you can have intention and it would not make any difference. If you can get rid of authority then your power would be real, just that, power.
5:35:04
BOB: Intention is a concept word. You can make it but it obsolesces some other concept but it will retrieve something and then flip into a disservice. So, always remember, there is no content to intention.
GREGG: How would it flip into a disservice?
BOB: Because you were indifferent to authority because you thought there was authority and something to be indifferent to. You gave content/power to authority and thought you were cool by not being concerned about it. You had a relationship with it. The point is: don’t have a relationship with anything. It becomes a model, a trap if you develop something. The four-part is: you create a relationship, it will obsolesce some older relationship but it will retrieve new things as you get trapped in it that you did not foresee and then will actually become the opposite of what you thought it would be good for. That is the process that happens in any cognition.
5:36:21
iON: If you get the concept of pure place of power…that knowing is superseded by all that stuff Bob just said. So you don’t even have to know that thing Bob just said. If the focus is only about the place of power-then you got it. Then the cares of life grows strangely dim and you don’t know, or you don’t care we don’t know if your problem is ignorance or apathy but you don’t know and you don’t care.
5:38:51
iON: Those that would get crossways with themselves -to the point that it is right up our nose and we acknowledge it, see it, know it, be it-rarely do they stay there. People are where they are and that’s no problem, it is when they get stuck there.
5:58:58
iON: It’s not where you are in life that counts , it’s where you stop.
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