Transcribed by Nan
Bob 0:01
The heart -- I thought iON said the heart is not attached to the body. The only organ that is not attached to the body.
iON 0:07
It's the only organ... No, it's the only organ that you can remove from the body and put another one in and the body still lives, only it's not attached. The ventricle is attac -- the aorta is attached, but it's in a sack, the pericardium is -- it's out of the sack, it's a separate entity. Separate. And that's why you can have a heart transplant.
Bob 0:29
What did you just say about the pericardium? Again, the muscle [inaudible].
iON 0:32
It's a sack. It's a sack that holds the heart separate from the body.
Bob 0:38
That's the, that's the pericardium.
iON 0:40
Correct. And inside of that water-filled sack is the heart. They have things attached to it, but the heart's not attached to the body, just the veins and arteries.
Bob 0:53
Yeah, the aorta or something, you go from the heart to something that's attached.
iON 0:59
To the veins and the arteries. The veins and the arteries. It would be like having a pump, a bilge pump, in your boat. You can take that pump out and put another pump in to get it out if you're having problems.
Bob 1:12
If you take the heart out, do you take the pericardium with it?
iON 1:15
No, you leave the pericardium, but you have to pierce it, then that's where you have to put it back together. And that's where if you get the infection, Carolyn will tell you it's really good, really bad, really not good. It's hard to overcome, an infected pericardium, but the heart doesn't get infected. The heart doesn't get infected. But if the pericardium does if you get an infection, bacterial or viral, it's hard to overcome it.
Bob 1:38
Right. So what do you call the tubes from the heart to the wall of the pericardium into the veins?
iON 1:44
That's the aorta.
Bob 1:46
Aorta.
iON 1:47
And the vein. That's the main pump out. And then you have the veins coming in on the other side into a four-chamber, hendiadys, chamber, to circulate it out. Ka-tunk, ka-tunk, ka-tunk, ka-tunk, ka-tunk, unless you have bradycardia or tachycardia. Carolyn watches for that.
Bob 2:02
Yeah. And that thing, that thing -- hold it! That thing is outside the pericardium, the chunka, chunka, chunka.
iON 2:07
No. No, it's inside the pericardium but not inside -- the only reason it's -- you can have a heart outside the body and keep the body alive. That's it. That's what it is. You can have a mechanical heart outside of the body and you still live. That's what...
Bob 2:22
When you take, when you remove the heart, do you remove the aorta with it? Are they still attached to the heart?
iON 2:29
You have to -- well, if it works, then you have to. And if you remove the heart, you have to attach the aorta and the ventricle system to something that will make that pump work -- another pump -- if you take the heart out of the body.
Bob 2:43
So what's the symbolism of the fact the heart is the only thing that can be removed...
iON 2:50
Okay. The thing we say... don't say that. Here's what we say over and over and over and over and over. The heart of the matter is a matter of the heart. It doesn't have anything to do with the body. It has to do with the heart, the heart of the matter is only a matter of the heart. We said that at least twice we know.
Bob 3:11
So it involves NonPhysical or other things -
iON 3:14
Agreed. Agreed.
Bob 3:14
- that the body is really involved with. So the heart...
iON 3:18
Agreed. And then you take the iON stance. Then you take the iON stance, and it becomes a heart, a heartbreak, "Oh, my heart is hurting. Oh, you broke my heart. You broke my heart, or I'm brokenhearted." And that goes into the whole other side of the heart metaphor, however weak.
Bob 3:41
Yeah, so the heart is an expression of iON.
iON 3:47
Agreed.
Bob 3:47
iON can come in, talk to us, and leave, like the heart. The heart -- so there it is, Carolyn. iON's the heart of the matter, matter of the heart.
iON 3:56
They can connect you, they can connect you to your physical body until you can lay down your meatsack body and pick up your supernal, eternal body, which we say you already have and have access to. We just gotta get you out of the old ways and quit being a crawler and start becoming a walker.
Bob 4:13
So saying that again, you said you keep the physical body going until you get to your supernal body. So the heart is a way of keeping the physical body going which is iON, the extension of iON, the heart, and it can leave the physical body when the supernal body happens and then you don't need a heart inside you? Does the supernal body have a heart?
iON 4:35
That's correct. No, it does not. It does not have a heart; it doesn't need it. It changes. Don't you remember? That was the example on the cross when you're doing the Ascension thing with the cross.
Bob 4:44
Yeah.
iON 4:45
When the Spear of Destiny pierced Jesus' side, it pierced his meatsack and it first came the water and then came the blood because the blood's what's important, but the water came first. And so that's the separation.
Bob 5:00
And they let it out. It empties, it empties out.
iON 5:02
Correct.
Bob 5:03
And then, and so then you don't have a heart in the supernal, eternal body, and you don't have iON. It's not in the body anymore.
iON 5:09
Correct.
Bob 5:09
You don't need it.
iON 5:10
That's correct. That's why it took Jesus three days to do his Ascension on the Emmaus Road because he didn't have NonPhysical in his body. He arose from the dead, but that didn't make him eternal.
Bob 5:23
So how did he, how did he acquire NonPhysical?
iON 5:26
Okay. He walked on the Emmaus Road. Remember the Damascus and Emmaus Road? He walked on the Emmaus Road, and went in and that whore, Mary Magdalene, she was, she was gonna grab him. He says, "Don't touch me!" That's like you would say. That's what you'd say, Bob. It's like, "You stink! Don't touch me. You stink, don't, don't come close to me. Don't touch me. My Ascension is not yet complete." It was a process on the Emmaus Road. So that was the whole point. That's why he...
Bob 5:53
We know that. What did he do, -
iON 5:55
Well, no, that's the -- that is the point.
Bob 5:59
- what did he do? What did he do to Ascend? What did he do during the three days? Just made sure no one touched him?
iON 6:04
Right. He went through, went through the process to connect back to his NonPhysical. He had to get his NonPhysical in place. Otherwise, he was vulnerable 'cause he was dead, basically.
Bob 6:14
Right. Oh, when you're dead, you don't have NonPhysical?
iON 6:17
Correct. That's been the argument all along, that people are dead. They're still alive, but they don't have any access. They don't have any ability or capacity to engage. That's the point.
Bob 6:28
That's because they're in the afterlife. They're in the dead part of NonPhysical, but they don't have access to the NonPhysical that's in the body! That's the heart.
iON 6:36
Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Mm-hm.
Bob 6:39
Okay, so then. So what did he do?
iON 6:42
That ain't the best you ever did, Bob, but it's pretty damn good. Pretty damn good.
Bob 6:45
Yeah, that’s a pretty subtle point, Carolyn. I don't know if Carolyn can understand that, this thing. She's had biology...
Bob 6:45
Oh my god.
Carolyn 6:51
Oh, no.
iON 6:53
Oh my god. [laughs]
Bob 6:58
[chuckles] Carolyn can't take it.
iON 6:53
Carolyn, flip open, flip open Total fucked-up Biology, and tell him which scripture and verse that that attaches to. [iON, Bob laugh]
Bob 7:05
That won't work. So what did he do? What did he do during the three days of Ascension? Any particulars about what he did? He'd just allow everything?
iON 7:16
Ah, no, no, no. Here's what he had to do. He had to, he had to talk to Bob. You gotta talk to Bob; that's where it starts. He had to engage his NonPhysical to try to find a way to connect to NonPhysical to have a conversation to see how close or far you are from your place of power. Because NonPhysical represents that power.
Bob 7:34
So I was one of the two people walking along with him?
iON 7:37
Of course! That's why -- that's right. That's why you blinded Paul. Saul, when you blinded Paul, Saul became Paul of Tarsus. You blinded him because he was an asshole! You pulled a Mary McLuhan and you smote his damn ass. [Bob laughs] Said, "I'll beat the fuck out of you!" Ba-zam! And he was gone. And there we go. So it's like...
Bob 7:55
That's a good one, Carolyn. So the two guys that he -- the dumb guy that didn't know they were talking to Jesus, no, they weren't dumb. One of them was Bob. We don't know who the other guy was. It may have been you, Carolyn. [Carolyn chuckles] Well, isn't that amazing? Jesus had to talk to Bob to get his shit together to be a religion. And Peter was gonna hijack him.
Carolyn 8:17
Well, you didn't want to join a cult, so you, you just kept quiet.
Bob 8:24
Who, me, Carolyn? I kept quiet?
Carolyn 8:26
Yep. Yes.
Bob 8:28
What do you mean?
Carolyn 8:30
You didn't tell anybody. You didn't tell anybody you were the other guy.
iON 8:35
He was. He was a, he was a, he was Murray Head, "One Night in Bangkok." He was controlling the game. He was setting the stage. He was making everything work the way it's supposed to work. That's how that's gonna work.
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