Transcribed by Nan
Bob 0:01
Okay, Bert. Go ahead, Bert.
Bert 0:05
Hi, iON.
iON 0:05
We get some, we get some Bert! We get some Bert! That's a surprise. Yay! [Bert laughs] Go ahead. Now we can get some work done.
Bert 0:13
Hey, iON,
iON 0:12
Hurry up before Carolyn goes to bed.
Carolyn 0:14
[Carolyn laughs in background]
Bert 0:15
All right. So, but this is not the normal theme here, buddy. Hey, we have some unfinished business from Saturday. Unfinished business from Saturday. You brought up Kroker
iON 0:24
We like -- yeah, Kroker. Arthur Kroker. Yeah.
Bert 0:29
Okay, and you were talking about, we should be scared of Thompson and the fear base involving Thompson, but we didn't get to get into Kroker. And you said some'um about this becomes Kroker time. You're going to have another set of issues. So question is, is the Kroker time related to the Tech Body taking over more and more each minute?
iON 0:53
The global digital society is gonna thrive. And now you're gonna have crossed, crossed intersections of technologies and the, and the ethics and the pervasive culture's gonna cause an anxiety because it's gonna go faster than the speed of thought.
Bert 1:13
Damn! And that's Tech Body driven. Has to be. Has to be.
iON 1:19
Well, yeah. That's the Kroker thing. And see, that, that's how you're gonna come to a new posthuman future.
Bert 1:26
[chuckles] But we've been already -- I mean, iON, technically we've been in a posthuman future since you appeared on the scene in 2009. So you're saying it's gonna even
iON 1:41
Yes, but you didn't -- we played, we played, we played, we played, we played Portal. We played Portal 2.
Bert 1:47
That's right.
iON 1:47
We said every goddamn thing that could be said. We've told you ever preposition aboard, about, above, across, after, against, along -- all the prepositions. We told you what a rabbit does to a stump. We told you how your meatsack body's gonna change. We told you what's gonna happen to this ball of wax called earth. We told you how this stuff's gonna flow right -
Bert 1:48
Yeah.
iON 1:49
- and everybody was like, "Mmm, that's ....... Mmm, that's ........ Yeah. Ha ha. We're in paradise.
Bert 2:09
That's right.
iON 2:01
Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, nice. That's not -- 121 Depot Street. Really? Really? 121 Depot Street? Well, if it ain't in the Googler then I'm just not gonna believe it. Oh, okay. That's okay, that's okay, okay. And they come and go. Then they kick along, and the whole issue or the point is all we said, just like Jane Roberts and her sliding in a nice house dress slung on her end of her bed of this essence [Bert laughs] of Seth or some ridiculous bullshit shit about how to come to your place that might be your place if it were your place that could have power. So meanwhile, instead of doing those simple little things, the rudiment, instead of doing those things you get lost in the five bodies. Well, I guess that would be bodied 'cause they are past tense, so the five bodied. You get lost in it. Then it gets absorbed. The Tech Body in a posthuman future absorbs all that. Then you get to ask something to get it back. Ahhh. You see?
Bert 3:16
Hey, I know. Yeah, okay. That sounds like that the Tech Body has all -- remember -- I don't know. I mean one time you said -- I don't even want to try to think of it, it seems like it was yesterday. But the cla-, I mean, the Tech Body, it sounds like then what you're saying about the cross dimensional whatever you just said earlier, it sounds like that the Tech Body's already beginning to consume the cloud even more then. Is that what that is?
iON 3:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all, y'all won't use it.
Bert 3:47
Okay, then that, okay, then that brings up -- okay this probably go along. Then, iON, that means that when whenever your 5G's cookin', then it's gonna be a quadrupled speed then. Can we say that?
iON 4:05
We started even back before that; go back to "Spasm." You're goin' back, you're gonna get the whole sound. You're gonna hear "Spasm." You're gonna see what the electric flesh is gonna do.
Bert 4:16
Yeah.
Bob 4:16
You see what he's doing, Bert? He's quoting the 19
iON 4:19
A global meltdown.
Bob 4:19
Bert, he's quoting the 1993 book, "Spasm," which has a big chunk made by a composer student of Kroker's. Steve Gibson I think his name is. So that was literal. Also, a more recent book, well, 25 years later, is "Exits to the Posthuman Future." So that's a title we could use. We provide exits from the posthuman future.
Bert 4:19
Mmm.
Bob 4:19
So you would read Kroker to see if he got anywheres near Bob knowledge. Not likely, but he does explain the Tech Body.
Bert 4:55
Yeah, he talks about the body in a unique way.
Bob 4:58
And the dark tetrad.
Bert 5:00
Yes. Yes.
iON 5:02
And the technological galaxy where the machines finally begin to speak! That's what you need to know.
Bob 5:10
[chuckles] I think that's a direct line from Kroker.
iON 5:12
Mm-hmm. 'Cause that's what you're comin' to. Y'all think Thompson was a beast? Yeah, you just wait. You're gettin' to feel it. You don't have to be scared of it, (inaudible).
Bob 5:17
Thompson was a what? A beat? What did you say? Thompson was a beat.
iON 5:26
A beast. Was a beast.
Bob 5:27
A beast.
iON 5:28
A beast.
Bob 5:29
Look at that, look at - you recognize how often iON changes a dogma? Like, you know, all that shit about Andromeda, and it turns out Andromeda is imaginary.
Bert 5:37
Yeah, yeah.
Bob 5:37
And everybody was packing, getting ready. You have to wait it out.
iON 5:40
What's imaginary? What's imaginary?
Bob 5:40
Don't do nothin'! Just wait it out till iON changes. So here's he's telling us Thompson's the worst ever and now he just said, "Ahh, you don't want to deal with Kroker. Go back to Thompson, he's easier. Kroker's a beast." See? He flipped!
Bert 5:42
Yeah.
iON 5:51
You're gonna take the hacker's journey to the electronic frontier, Bob.
Bob 6:04
Yeah, another quote from Kroker.
Bert 6:10
iON, one more last point. One last point.
iON 6:15
We're not in a, we're not in a hurry. You, hey, you fucking this chicken. Let's go.
Bert 6:19
Okay, iON, have you ever heard of I.J. Good? I found a quote from him this week. He says the first -- he said. He's deceased, but he said the first truly intelligent machine is the last invention that humanity needs to make. And that made me think of
iON 6:38
And that's all they're gonna do. That's all they're gonna do.
Bert 6:41
That's all they're gonna do.
Bob 6:44
What? What's iON saying?
iON 6:47
Well, he's tryin' to make this cryptology
Bob 6:49
You just said that's all they're gonna do. That's all they're gonna do.
iON 6:52
Right. He's just a cryptologist. He's just a cryptologist, so his knowing is only based on what you can calculate.
Bert 7:02
Mmm.
Bob 7:02
But that's like what the Evergreens said: the final Armageddon will be when we make a machine and we'll know the effects of it; and will battle over whether to implement it or not because we will forget everything we know! If we implement it. Does that sound like the last machine?
iON 7:17
Yes, Dilly Knox is better.
Bob 7:19
Does that sound like the last machine, iON? Does that sound like the last machine!? [Bert chuckles]
iON 7:19
Yeah, Dilly Knox is better.
Bob 7:26
What is everybody laughing at? My passion? Everybody laughing at my passion?
Carolyn 7:29
(in background) Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bob 7:30
Yeah, did we get an answer, Bert? Like what did I just ask? Oh, yeah, is the Evergreens' scenario the last machine, iON?
iON 7:39
No.
Bob 7:40
[laughs] We have an answer. We have an answer, Bert. It won't last long, but we got one for now. At least till Saturday.
Bert 7:47
Yes. For now.
iON 7:48
You should look at Dilly. You should go to Dilly Knox. You should go to Dilly Knox, it's much better.
Bob 7:54
Dilly? D-i-l-l-y, or Billy?
iON 7:58
Yeah, D as in (inaudible).
Bob 8:00
D.
iON 8:01
Mm-hmm.
Bob 8:01
Oh no, D. Dilly, Carolyn. You had it wrong.
Bert 8:05
Dilly Knox.
Bob 8:06
Dilly Knox. Is that it, Bert? Are you done?
Bert 8:10
Yeah, that's it, Bob. That's it, Bob.
iON 8:11
No! That's not it! You didn't even, you didn't even get to what Kroker meant! You're gonna let that go?
Bob 8:19
[laughs] Yeah. You think we're that easy? That's how we
iON 8:20
How do you ever have, how do you ever have an orgasm?
Bob 8:23
That's just like Saturday.
iON 8:24
You get all worked up and then just walk away?
Bert 8:28
Okay, iON, then -- okay, finish up. What did Kroker mean?
Bob 8:31
It's a good topic, Bert.
Bert 8:33
What did Kroker mean? Because you said two weeks ago, you said Kroker never finished. He never really finished, like Bob.
iON 8:39
He's still not. He's still not. He still not. He's still waiting on, he's still waiting on his apparitions to be founded. That's what makes it so scary. 'Cause now the humans get to add on and they tell two friends, and so on. And then they make a veil, and then they split the veil, and then they open the veil. Meanwhile humans, little humans, are killing themselves for an ounce of power! They need a drug to make 'em feel a little bit better. They need somethin' to make 'em go shit. They need somethin' to help 'em eat. They need somethin' to stop eatin'. To make some'um make 'em wake up, make some'um go to sleep. Make some'um, make their hair grow! Make their teeth not fall out of their head! They need a little power; they need to run some'um! They make 'em a corporation which is separate from them. Ooh, and then they get into the machine. They make a, they make a Blogspot. Ooh, they have a Salon where they can go put in their words and they can become geniuses in their own right, in their own suffocated condition that is their own reflection that they can't seem to recognize of late, you see. Then what happens is they get, whatd'ya say, danger Will Robinson. They're lost in space. Then they become the clone that's morbidly obese sitting in the easy chair, in the Barcalounger, watching the boob tube with all these computer things sittin' around doing all this living for them. And they order the food and the Uber, the goober, they call the goober and the goober brings them some grocery. And they put the groceries at the door, and they have them, they bring the groceries in and they set the mass quantities and pile it on top of. And they lay in the sofa in the Barcalounger, the chair, the easy rider, and eat till they pass out. Trying to make power that they don't know what is. And that's the problem. Because see, they're supplicating. They're creating this very thing. They're creating the very thing that's gonna judge them. It's amazing. Kroker was right when he gave to the condition that you should be aware of the environ that you're creating!
Bert 10:47
Mmm.
iON 10:47
See? And that's why he bumps in, he keeps bumping into McLuhan, tryin' to come because McLuhan's turning everything topsy turvy. But McLuhan says you can't know anything. If you do, then you're stupid. You can't know anything. And if you do know something, then you're stupid. [Bob and Bert laugh] You're not qualified to be part of the conversation. So it's like, well, where do you go with that? Well, you can't go anywhere, you just wake up with a sore bum. Ohhh, oh, Mary, you are the most beautiful one. Yes, Mary, you're beautiful.
Bob 11:12
Ha ha! Mary. [laughs] Incest.
iON 11:16
Love you. Love you some Mary. Yeah.
Bert 11:17
[laughs] Incest.
iON 11:18
Yeah. So it goes.
Bert 11:20
So does that mean that Kroker would be the antithesis to the Wailin' Jennys?
iON 11:29
It would. That's exactly correct. Good.
Bob 11:31
Ah ha!
iON 11:32
But don't get all, don't get, don't get Ed stirred up with that. It took him 17 years to do Tea with Mussolini, so don't confuse him. Just go slow with it, it'll be okay.
Bert 11:45
Okay, one more point.
Bob 11:46
So it's exit.
Bert 11:47
One more, iON.
Bob 11:47
Hey, hey, hey wait. Bert, it's exit to the Wailin' Jennys.
iON 11:52
Yeah.
Bob 11:53
Yes. That's iON
iON 11:55
Jennys.
Bert 11:55
Jennys.
iON 11:56
Jennys.
Bert 11:56
Jennys.
iON 11:57
Jennys.
Bert 11:58
Jennys. iON, didn't you say -- 'cause I remember you, hearing you say that when you brought up the Wailin' Jennys. You and Bob were speaking. You said it's another quadrant. So it'll be six instead of five.
iON 12:07
It is. At least.
Bert 12:09
Six quadrants.
iON 12:10
You'll see. No, it's actually gonna be eight time he gets them all matched. But Bob doesn't do anything.
Bert 12:16
So that would be octad.
iON 12:15
It's hard to get him to do anything. But it's hard to get Bob to do anything, so it may, you may, he may end up with two, he may end up with two good bodies before it's over with. That's maybe all he gets [Bob laughs] with those eight. So, it'll be, it'll be, it'll be the the cubed root of hendiadys. So, the cubed root of eight is two. So, eight turns into two.
Bob 12:35
[laughs] Which is one by means of two which is eight.
iON 12:35
One by means of two is hendiadys.
Bob 12:38
Cubed two is eight. On the chart I got quarktune cubed.
Bert 12:46
Ahh.
iON 12:46
There you go. So then what happens is this is the thing of it is is everybody's talkin' but nobody's sayin' anything. Everybody's blogging but nobody means anything. Everybody's sincere, but they're diluted in what they're conveying. They know everything and can't tell you anything. It's amazing. And when you tell 'em some'um, they don't believe it. And when they don't believe it, then they judge something because of it. Okay. And then they give their life force to some thing, some pie-eyed ideology that they can borrow, beg or steal and get a nickel back full up power from, however fleeting. And then they make the perfect machine. The perfect machine.
Bob 13:32
The perfect what? Christian? Is that what he's saying, Bert?
Bert 13:34
Machine. Machine. Machine, Bob.
iON 13:36
Machine.
Bob 13:35
Perfect machine. Okay.
iON 13:36
You're talkin' about Kroker. You're talkin' about Kroker, so we'll be talkin' about machines. Yes.
Bob 13:44
Okay, thank you very much, Bert.
Bert 13:47
Thanks, Bob. Thanks, iON.
iON 13:48
You actually got enough of that? You got enough? Well, that's amazing.
Bob 13:52
Yeah, that was good.
iON 13:52
Well, that's the aberrated, that was the aberrated version.
Bert 13:56
Well, we can continue on Saturday then.
Bob 13:58
That's right.
iON 13:59
Okay.
Bob 13:59
Read some more Kroker, get prepared, and wait for Thompson, Bert. Your instructions.
iON 14:06
Argh.
Bert 14:06
[chuckles] Thanks.
Bob 14:07
Okay.
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