tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1446209923867212137.post1370740776773555986..comments2024-03-26T13:21:00.287-10:00Comments on iON & BOb: iONs WakeEd Longhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16564973089065751074noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1446209923867212137.post-9185732259871879202014-04-14T06:13:42.419-10:002014-04-14T06:13:42.419-10:00Murray Gross continues (Part Two):
He is quite cl...Murray Gross continues (Part Two):<br /><br />He is quite clear in the oral aspect with "Finniganese" spelling. If we<br />extract the real title word - 'Finnegans' we are left with 'I' and 'e' - the<br />abbreviation of id est - itself an abbreviation of 'that is to say'. <br />"bop" has many interesting aspects - it points to the continuous nature of<br />the Wake as coming back on itself from 'riverrun' to 'the' and back again.<br />Written on a piece of transparent paper, if inverted and rotated, gives us<br />'dog', and 'god' - fruitful areas to pursue. To me the final 'p' looks like<br />a 'b' that fell over. The syntax seems to work with 'bob' as being the<br />person iON is talking to. Using that 'b' in just previous word 'rip' gives<br />us 'rib' brings us back by a recirculating to the beginning of my extended<br />comments. The 'rib' that God took from Adam to fashion Eve - the first to<br />fall, like the 'b' to 'p' and hinted to when iON used in the 3rd word of his<br />reply - "never". Note he says "right rip" or as we translate "right rib". In<br />Genesis 2 there is no mention of which side the rib was taken from Adam.<br />Milton suggests the left (see Paradise Lost, Book 8 line 465) as does<br />Michelangelo in his depiction on the Sistine Chapel. Now we know it was the<br />right side - thank you for that, iON.<br /><br />The sound advice with the next part of iON's reply:<br />".They don't know nothing; they cant get nothing; they sound like us, Bob. "<br />by evoking the song Old man River - to just keep on rolling along. Notice<br />the double negatives - we, the reading group people are knowing and getting<br />something out of the Wake in the same way that iOn and Bob get it. <br />The next part:<br />"You...find out, somebody tells you something, you spend the rest of your<br />days trying to un-know what they told you that you didn't know..." , the<br />"trying" is to get rid of the idea that we did not know. Sort of what Bob<br />quoted to our Wake group at the last meeting - the Platonic idea that<br />knowledge is remembering what we already know.<br /><br />This has been my "short sea" that is a short see, a sort of squint at iON's<br />reply. Just imagine what we would find with our eyes wide open.<br /><br />Disclaimer: Lest anyone think I was anything but earnest and serious in my<br />response are wrong. I have had lots of fun doing this but it is not ironic<br />and as Bob said at the beginning of the email "believe it or not" - this is<br />the way to read. <br />Bobhttp://fivebodied.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1446209923867212137.post-59585780489670035102014-04-14T06:06:03.653-10:002014-04-14T06:06:03.653-10:00Murray Gross writes (PartOne):
Suspending any do...Murray Gross writes (PartOne):<br /><br /><br />Suspending any doubts I may have, it is both challenging and delightful to<br />try and analyze the reply of iON to Bob's question. iON, who may be a<br />non-human entity with vastly higher intelligence, has certain necessary<br />similarities with other language users: he will always convey more than his<br />words. Just as a quick example - the last two words of his reply "Come on."<br />could be read as a simple comment on the Wake text - "don't be stupid enough<br />to think the text is serious" - or similar feelings. But it could also be a<br />closing to his comments - his name. "Come" can be co + me . Of the many<br />possibilities - two stand out - 'co' as abbreviation for 'company' and a<br />mathematical 'complement' - that which is added to make a whole. Does not<br />the 'I' with 'me' makes both company together and a whole. This leads, of<br />course, to 'I' + 'on' = iON.<br />iON is not only polite enough to sign his name - he gives us a little more.<br />Information on the makeup of the 'I' and recalling the end of Bob's question<br />"going on'. iON responds with a dialectically opposite 'come' - Perhaps our<br />friend Hegel is nudging iON's ribs.<br /><br />Speaking of 'ribs' - but wait - I anticipate. Let us look at the first part<br />of iON's reply - <br />"We would never be included in a Finniganese book reading wrote right rip<br />bop..." <br />"We" - at first sight the meaning seems to be iON and Bob - but we know that<br />Bob is a member of a Wake reading group so the 'We' seems to refer to iON<br />and his kind. Is he saying that his kind would never appear in such a book?<br />or just not in a reading group. Does it get more serious - "We would never<br />be" - does the very existence of iON depend in some manner on the book?<br />"Included" has imbedded the word 'clue'. The book has a clue. It is odd that<br />iON calls the book "Finniganese". The last part of the word 'ganese' seems<br />to taunt us. If we add 'man' we get 'mangenese' - a black mineral used in<br />glass making. A wonderful image of the Wake, being black and opaque yet in a<br />way clear as glass. That is to say iON is telling us that the Wake is a<br />'man' book not for the likes of his kind. He seems to also desire to point<br />out the oral/writing aspect of the book.<br />"book reading wrote right rip bop"Bob Dobbshttp://fivebodied.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1446209923867212137.post-88269421743083973062014-04-09T21:52:23.198-10:002014-04-09T21:52:23.198-10:00Shalakazoo a Mexica boo
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Put...Shalakazoo a Mexica boo<br />A bibbiity bobitty boo<br />Put it together <br />And what have you got?<br />Bibitty bob- itty<br />Oh what a bobitty<br />Bibitty bobbity boo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com