Transcribed by Nan
1900
Carolyn 0:01
Okay, like has been, it has been said. The title of this section is THE PYLONS OF THE HOUSE OF OSIRIS. Now, what's a pylon? A pylon is the Greek term for a monumental gateway of an Egyptian temple. It consists of two tapering towers, each surmounted by a cornice joined by a less elevated section which encloses the entrance between them. And we know pylons. Pylons is towers and structures on the wing of an aircraft. So, the pylon -
iON 0:42
And, pylon, like on a pier.They'll put pylons and build a pier on pylons in the water, too.
Carolyn 0:50
Right. So, the representation here, a pylon, is there something about this archway, this gateway?
iON 1:01
Ah huh.
Carolyn 1:01
Are they talking about -
iON 1:02
Yeah.
Carolyn 1:02
- gates and what not? Yeah.
iON 1:05
Yeah, they're talking about the side from the dead, the between the dead, the house of the dead and the house of the livin'. And this Book of the Dead supposed to give you the ability and power to go there and get 'em. Well, how do you get 'em - you got to go through somethin'. So, this is laying out the details of the pylons that are possible.
Carolyn 1:26
Hmm. So, if this is, ah, where is it again, ah - a monumental gateway. So, you're saying it's a gateway between the house of the dead and the house of the living.
iON 1:40
Yeah, but there's lots of 'em.
Carolyn 1:43
Yeah, so that's one of them. Yeah. Okay, neat. "The following shall be said when one cometh to the FIRST PYLON. The Osiris the scribe Ani, whose word is truth, saith: "Lady of tremblings, high-walled, the sovereign lady, the lady of destruction, who uttereth the words which drive back the destroyers, who delivereth from destruction him that cometh." The name of her Doorkeeper is Neruit."
iON 2:20
Yeah, Neverrit. Neveritt.
Carolyn 2:23
Neverrit! It's Neverrit, Bob. Bob sees that. (Carolyn to Bob) You see that? So, this lady, the ladies we have are -
iON 2:36
Margaret Thatcher.
Carolyn 2:37
- the whore of Babylon -
iON 2:39
Margaret Thatcher.
Carolyn 2:41
Okay. And -
iON 2:44
She'd blow up your shit.
Carolyn 2:44
- does that supposed to mean something?
iON 2:47
Just that. She's a reference of what it's like if you think of her that would be an example of this person, the lady of trembling, sovereign lady, lady of destruction. And her words would drive back the destroyers.
Carolyn 3:06
Right. And we continue, "The following -
iON 3:10
The damn Tories.
Carolyn 3:10
- shall be said when one cometh to the SECOND PYLON. The Osiris the scribe Ani, whose words is truth, saith: "Lady of heaven, Mistress of the Two Lands, {Carolyn: so that's life and death}, devourer by fire, Lady of mortals who art infinitely greater than any human being." The name of her Doorkeeper is Mes-Ptah." Um, so is this another Margaret Thatcher or is this someone else?
iON 3:41
No, it's a - that's just to give you a pictorial to say oh, this is what that's referring to. But, it wasn't meant to be exactly as that its said. It's to give you a picture, a picture to see in your mind. It's like white elephant, white elephant. Oh, no, no, there's no white elephant, but you still see the image of the white elephant. So, this is just the dividing. In the Revelation, Revelation, you remember the, the harlot? The two harlots -
Carolyn 4:09
Yeah, yeah.
iON 4:09
- and the vile judgment? This is that reference, but this is from a different standpoint. If you're already dead, they're not so vile, the judgments.
Carolyn 4:19
Uh hm. Yeah.
iON 4:23
Go ahead.
Carolyn 4:24
Okay, continuing, "The following shall be said when one cometh to the THIRD PYLON. The Osiris the scribe Ani whose word is truth, saith: "Lady of the Altar, the mighty lady to whom offerings are made, greatly beloved one of every god sailing up the river to Abydos." The name of her Doorkeeper is Sebqa."
iON 4:50
Sebqa. Now, these are different markers. They're like, they're like markers. Like say, go to room two or, you know you'll have sometimes they'll name it into a different room. These different, ahhh, mantles or, or pillars, or pylons, the headers, that's what those would be known as, as you go further and further deeper into the world, the world away from the world of the living into the world of the dead. You GOT to be clear now. These first, second, third, fourth, fifth, 21, then from the outside going into it, you got to - because now guess what, by god, you got to figure out how to get out, too.
Carolyn 5:37
Hmm. Oh. Hmm.
iON 5:40
So, make sure you realize this going in. This isn't like a row of, of where the horse barn where this is the first stall, second stall, third stall on the long run. No, this is like the hall of the barn. You gotta go through each stall to get to the back end of it.
Carolyn 5:57
So, is it like three-quarters of the Book is going to be getting in and then the last quarter how to get out?
iON 6:09
No, if you know your way, getting out is way easier. Do you know like if you laugh and or like when you go somewhere it takes forever to get there but you get home it takes, it takes no time? Because you know the way it's not new that your looking to, it's almost like that -
Carolyn 6:26
Right.
iON 6:26
- way faster out than in. You gotta fight your way in, and they'll sling ya out. 'Cause they don't want live people down there.
Carolyn 6:33
But the point is we're spending a lot of time, ah, timing, about getting in, so it means -
iON 6:36
Yes.
Carolyn 6:38
- the getting out section will be shorter.
iON 6:43
Yeah, and important because that's how they get out, too, you see. So, when you open this, now that's what everybody's bumping into. Well, a lot of people are bumpin' into. ah, this weirdness happening, because then you're startin' to do these things some, um, well, 11 people. What, you got twelve now Bob? Nine or six or something, a few people that may actually on accident engage this stuff? They're starting to have all this weird shit happen because the dead people are gettin' their attention. They're drawing the attention of the dead. And that's good.
Carolyn 7:23
Right. And when you say -
iON 7:24
That's the reason to wait until you have some power under your belt.
Carolyn 7:28
Right. And when you're sayin' that's how they get out, too, who is the they?
iON 7:34
The dead people.
Carolyn 7:37
Okay, so you're getting out. And as you're getting out, you're bringing other dead people with you?
iON 7:45
And they find the way out - that you become a way. You become - remember the show, ah, Ghost?
Carolyn 7:52
No!
iON 7:53
He had ass cancer - and Whoopi Goldberg - and she was a pretend Medium.
Carolyn 8:00
I hate metaphors, I hate metaphors.
iON 8:01
Then all of a sudden - well, then, then when she, when she started doin' it, pretendin' to do it, once she pretended, the dead people got their attention and they all started coming through her. And oh, shit, that was messed up. She didn't like it when she actually had a gift.
Carolyn 8:18
Okay, iON, now as I look below we've got the FOURTH PYLON and more destroyers, more Doorkeepers; FIFTH PYLON "Flame, Lady of fire..."; or SIXTH PYLON, "Lady of light..."; SEVENTH PYLON, a "Garment {Ed: which} envelopeth..."; EIGHTH PYLON, "Blazing fire, unquenchable...";, NINTH PYLON, "Chieftainess, lady of strength..."; TENTH PYLON, "Goddess of the loud voice..."; ELEVENTH PYLON, "... she who sayeth always consumer of the fiends by fire..."; TWELTH PLYON, "I've made my way, I know you, I know thy name...";THIRTEENTH PYLON, "I have made my way...."
iON 9:06
Invoker of Two Lands, the destroyer of those.
Carolyn 9:16
Which number pylon are you on?
iON 9:20
We were just putting a nickel's worth of - on twelve.
Carolyn 9:24
Yeah, you're right, TWELFTH. THIRTEEN PYLON, "...Osiris folded his arms about her, and maketh HAPI, H-A-P-I (the Nile-god), to emit splendour..."; FOURTEENTH PYLON, :...Lady of might, who trampleth on the Red Demons..."; FIFTHTEEN PYLON, "...Let her hands be given to the Still-Heart in his hour..."; SIXTEENTH PYLON, "...Terrible one, lady of the rain- storm, destroyer of the souls of men..."; SEVENTEENTH PYLON;" it goes on and on and on. So, I'm just going to say these words, skip down and see if we get to something else. Okay iON?
iON 10:14
We don't care.
Carolyn 10:15
Am I missing -
iON 10:16
Hey, honey. We'll do it, we'll do it in private sessions, it'll be okay. It's the same way with Bob when we started Revelations. You never thought you'd get anywhere and then it got interesting when we got into it. So, we can go back there's no time, it's fine, you're good.
Carolyn 10:33
SEVENTEENTH PYLON, "Hewer-in-pieces in blood, Ahibit, lady of hair..."; EIGHTEENTH PYLON, "Fire lover, pure one, lover of slaughterings..."; NINETEENTH PYLON, "Light-giver for life, blazing all the day..."; TWENTIETH PYLON, "Dweller in the cavern of her lord..."; and then that's, there's twenty and then we get to an appendix, ah -
iON 11:03
Twenty-one.
Carolyn 11:05
Yeah the, the texts referring to the TWENTY-FIRST PYLON. Now, is that the next words is the TWENTY-FIRST PYLON? It doesn't really say. Yeah it does.
iON 11:13
Yeah, "...whose word is truth...(iON: well, come from it) the "Knife which cutteth when [its name] is uttered..." That's you. You got hidden plans. Remember you're the sharpest machete in the shed?
Carolyn 11:37
The hidden things of the avenger of the god. {Carolyn chuckles} Yes. So this Twenty-First, ah, let's read twenty-one because it might be important. "THE OSIRIS AUFANKH, WHOSE WORD IS TRUTH, SAITH: Hail, saith Horus, O Twenty-first pylon of the Still-Heart! I have made the way. I know thee. I know thy name. I know the name of the goddess who guardeth thee. "Sword that smiteth at the utterance of its own name, stinking face, overthrower of him that approacheth her flame" is thy name. Thou keepest the hidden things of the avenger of the god, thou guardest them. Amam is his name. He maketh the ash trees (cedars) not to grow, and the shenu trees (acacias) not to blossom, and preventeth copper from being found in the mountain. The Tchatcha (Chiefs) of this Pylon are Seven Gods. {Carolyn: and then they name} Tchen, or Anthch (At), is the name of the one at the door. Hetepmes is the name of another there. Messep is the name of another there. Utchara is the name of another there. Beq is the name of another there. Anp (Anubis) is the name of another there. I have made the way. I am Menu-Heru, the avenger of his father, the heir of his father Un-Nefer. I have come. I have given [offerings] to my father Osiris. I have overthrown all his enemies." Now it's interesting. Um. It's, um, it's like a warrior, warrior talk when these people are wanting to come back into the living. They think it's a big fight. Is it, is it that big a fight?
iON 13:55
It is. Yes, they are at war, hard war, because it's a third of the angels from heaven that are in this hell or this dark place or dead place. So, they have the dominion and so those angels are running rampant and you're dead so you think you're in a bad shape now, you're really in a bad shape there. They can do what they want to. They can play you for the fool.
Carolyn 14:20
Right.
iON 14:21
And they play human, now those same angels come on this realm and play folks for a fool, too. Most hysterical thing you've ever seen.
Carolyn 14:30
So, I guess I didn't realize that we were working with the angels here as well.
iON 14:38
Yeah.
Carolyn 14:38
This is-
iON 14:39
That's right.
Carolyn 14:40
- angelic war, this war for-
iON 14:42
Hm hmm.
Carolyn 14:45
- the dead? The angels are involved.
iON 14:47
Yeah, of course.
Carolyn 14:49
Bob did you know that?
iON 14:51
They're trying to keep 'em dead.
Bob 14:54
(in background) No.
Carolyn 14:55
Bob didn't know that either. Wow!
iON 14:59
That's the point.
Carolyn 15:00
They are trying to get them yeah, yeah ah huh. iON do you know why Bob's hanging around in the kitchen?
iON 15:09
So he can eat mass quantities.
Carolyn 15:12
I know.
iON 15:14
Wash them, wash them hands.
Carolyn 15:18
Yeah, he's digging into all the food that is. So, that's very interesting. It is a war. And it's a war with a third of the angels. And the angels don't want you to go back to the living physical.
iON 15:37
Right. Hm hmm. And they even have a southern heaven.
Carolyn 15:41
Ah, ha ha. Is that coming up? Yes it is. Okay, continuing, "I have come daily with the word of truth, the lord of fealty, in the house of my father Tem, the Lord of Anu, I, the Osiris Auf-ankh, whose word is truth in the southern heaven. I have done" Okay, so by identifying the southern heaven, is that like, um, the Fourth Key and the 33rd parallel?
iON 15:46
It is. It is. Very good.
Carolyn 16:29
Okay. So, that once more ties us back into Revelation.
iON 16:37
Exactly. Everything does. This is the whole - that's the point. That they're simultaneous and that's the thing to get you ready for, so that you got somethin' to get back to. So, yeah, good.
Carolyn 16:48
Yeah, yeah, yes. Awesome. So, it's all parallel.
iON 16:54
You're doing well.
Carolyn 16:55
Very good. So, continuing on: "I have done what is right for him that made the right. I have celebrated the Haker festival to the lord thereof. I have acted as the leader of the festivals. I have given cakes to the Lords of the Altar. I have been the leader of the {Carolyn: - pro - pit iatory offerings. Hmm. Pro -}
iON 17:28
Propitiatory.
Carolyn 17:30
Hmm. I'm gonna have to look that up. Propitiatory, yeah.
iON 17:35
The right amount of offering. The right amount of offering, an appropriate offering, your thanks giving. Ah huh.
Carolyn 17:45
Yeah, sacrifice atonement. Okay, very good. For those "offerings, cakes, ale, oxen, geese, to my father Osiris Un-Nefer. I'm the protector of the Ba- soul, I have made the Benu bird to appear {by my} words. I have come daily into the house of the god to make offerings of incense. I have come with the shenti tunic. I have set the Neshem Boat afloat on the water. I have made the word of Osiris Khenti Amenti to be truth before his enemies." So, doing all this, on and on and on. Braging, braging braging. "I have carried away in a boat all his enemies to the slaughter-house of the East." Ah, now the East, that is, um, that's the destructive place is it -
iON 18:45
That's the vidya. That's where all the nasty stuff, that's where all the nasty stuff comes through.
Carolyn 18:50
Ahh. So they're bringing the -
iON 18:56
The Eastern gate.
Carolyn 18:56
- enemies back there.
iON 19:00
'course.
Carolyn 19:00
Yeah. Eastern gate, hmm. So, it's where all the nasty stuff comes through, so, Amante, all the, ah, they're bringing all the enemies back to. Are they going to push them out through the Eastern gate?
iON 19:17
They will. See, and Jesus is supposed to split the Eastern sky and come through the Eastern gate. Vestal's gonna meet you by the Eastern gate and, and Buck and Dottie Rambo are gonna do somethin' with the Eastern gate. Yeah, there's a whole lot of things happen there. Yeah, puk n dobby.
Carolyn 19:40
Okay. Yeah, because in tribal mythology, the Eastern gate is the rising of the sun. So, it's like new life and birth, birth and rebirth.
iON 19:53
Do.
Carolyn 19:53
Here's Bob.
Bob 19:55
So, did the Nine One One Twin Towers exit through the Eastern gate?
iON 20:05
Nope, they did not. They don't go out, you come in. You don't go out. You don't go out the Eastern gate. It's an outie. It's a outie only.
Bob 20:17
So, they - the Twin Towers exited through another big gate?
iON 20:27
Yeah. These are directions, Bob, -
Carolyn 20:33
You want to ask which gate, Bob?
iON 20:33
- not individual gates. These are not, these are directions not individual gates Bob.
Carolyn 20:39
Right.
Bob 20:41
(in background) Okay.
Carolyn 20:46
Okay. Bob's back to the kitchen to make noise. Okay. These are directions.
iON 20:47
And consume, consume mass - wash them hands though. Gonna have to get new.
Carolyn 20:52
Oh he is. He is. He makes sure that the towels suffer for it. Okay, continuing.
iON 21:01
So sad.
Carolyn 21:01
And -
iON 21:01
You should put those finger tip towels up because he's just gonna go through 'em, every single - if you put two hundred, he's gonna go through them -
Carolyn 21:04
I know, but it would be one every hour, okay? One every hour. I just bought eight new towels today because they get all -
iON 21:18
I don't doubt it. Down to nothin' now. He consumed every towel.
Carolyn 21:18
They're down to no nap, no nap at all. Okay. "and they shall never escape from the wardship of the god Keb who dwelleth therein. I have made the Kefaiu gods of Ra to stand up. I have made his word to be truth. I have come as a scribe." Now when you say come as a scribe, is that the soul reference, iON?
iON 21:47
Yeah, it is. It is, that's what's left of those some of those unquieted dead.
Carolyn 21:52
Ah. Ooh. Ah huh. Unquieted dead. Okay. And continuing: "I have explained {the writings}. I have made the gods have power over his legs. I have come into the house of him that is upon his mountain (Anubis). I have seen the Chief of the Seh hall. I have entered into Ra-stau. I have made myself invisible. I have found for myself the boundary. I have approached Nerutef. I have clothed the naked. I have sailed up the river to Abydos. I have performed the ceremonies of Hu and Sa. I have entered the house of Astes. I have made supplication to the Khati gods and to Sekhmet in the temple of Net (Neith), or the Aged Ones. I have entered Ra-stau. I have made myself invisible. I have found the frontier. I have approached Nerutef. I have clothed the naked. I have sailed up the river to Abydos. I have performed ceremonies of Hu and Sa. I have received. I have risen like a king crowned. I fill my seat" So, is this just saying, you know, I'm the most awesome person, ever, so let me live?
iON 23:20
And I have the power to conquer these different pylons.
Carolyn 23:27
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, they have to say these words to validate and prove it?
iON 23:36
And get in. Yeah. Yep. It'd be real good if you'd done it too, but that's another conversation.
Carolyn 23:45
Right. It's like affirmations. Is it like affirmations iON?
iON 23:51
Yeah, Stuart Smiley. Ha ha ha ha.
Carolyn 23:56
Oh yeah, he's a, yeah. Onward. "I fill my seat on the throne in the place of my father, the God Who was at the beginning." Well, that's us. I mean we're just -
iON 24:12
Yep.
Carolyn 24:13
We're gods, we're there, we're beginning, no beginning, no middle, no end. "I have praised the Meskhen of Ta-tchesert. My mouth is full of Maat (Truth). I have overwhelmed the Akhekhau serpents. I have come into the Great House with {my} body in a flourishing condition. I have caused myself to travel in the Boat of Hai. The myrrh unguent of {Carolyn: and they have a blank}......is in the hair of men (Rekhit). I have entered into the house of Astes. I have approached with worship the two Khati gods and Sekhmet, who are in the temple of the Aged One {in Anu}." So, that's the end of that section. So, we're there, we are in - now, is there an appendix? We're in the temple of the Aged One. Is that the elder?
iON 25:23
Yeah.
Carolyn 25:23
Yeah, it's the elders. So we've reached the elder stage. And that's something, that's Key 14, for example.
iON 25:32
Uh huh.
Carolyn 25:32
So, yeah, we're gettin' along and in Revelation, itself, that would be you get by the lampstands and you get to the elders, the four and 20. So, -
iON 25:46
Right.
Carolyn 25:47
- that's the correspondence. Okay. And one bracketed area here: "{And the god Osiris saith:} "Thou hast come, thou shalt be a favoured one in Tetu, O Osiris Auf-ankh, whose word is truth, the son of the lady Shert-en-Menu, whose word is truth." Now, shall we, shall we lay off the air, iON, because we did a whole section -
Bob 26:19
(In background) No.
Carolyn 26:19
- cuz I raced through it?
iON 26:20
Yeah, that good.
Carolyn 26:21
Bob says - that's good.
iON 26:23
That's fine.
Carolyn 26:23
Bob says no.
Bob 26:24
(In background) Too short. Do another section.
Carolyn 26:27
I know, I went through like 20 pages of pylons. I sped read like -
Bob 26:32
(In background) Well, we didn't do them. We jumped ahead. We did a 20 minute session, so, do the next part. We gotta give Ed a good chunk of time.
Carolyn 26:40
What's Ed doin'?
Bob 26:41
(In background) That's where he's making (indistinct).
Carolyn 26:44
Oh, no, you mean, I'm gonna get mocked because I can't say the, these Egyptian words?
Bob 26:50
(In background) Gonna get mocked?
iON 26:53
You did fine. They can't say them either. They're pictures. You don't say the words, they're pictures. You can't be - Ed ain't gonna mock you. He may do a lot of things, but Ed ain't gonna mock you. Ha ha ha ha.
Carolyn 27:06
Okay! Okay, the next section is called "THE PRIESTS ANMUTEF AND SAMEREF. THE SPEECH OF THE PRIEST ANMUTEF. I have come unto ou, O ye great Tchatcha Chiefs who dwell in heaven, and upon earth, and in -
iON 27:33
Get that?
Carolyn 27:36
- Khert-Neter, " -
iON 27:36
Get that?
Carolyn 27:37
- I have come unto - who dwell in heaven, and upon earth, so they're doing both.
iON 27:43
They can go in and out.
Carolyn 27:46
Hmm. Yeah. Very good. Thank you for pointing that out. "who dwell in heaven, and upon earth, and in Khert-Neter, and I have brought unto you the Osiris Ani. He hath not committed any act which is an abomination before all the gods. Grant ye that he may live with you every day." Now, they're implying that you need to have, ah, you still need to have a buddy here. You're not -
iON 28:30
You don't know! You've not been to the underbelly. You've not been to the underbelly of where dead people are, Carolyn. And even though you're a god, and you live on both lands, you've never been to El Segundo. So, it sure would be good to have a buddy to go with you in case you lose your wallet. Stay out of Hawthorne, anyway.
Carolyn 28:52
Yeah. Okay. So, we're going to the dead zone. Continuing: "The Osiris the scribe Ani adoreth Osiris, Lord of Rasta, and the Great Company of the Gods who live in Khert-Neter. He saith: "Homage to thee, Khenti Amenti, Un-Nefer, who dwellest in Abtu. I come to thee. My heart holdeth Truth. There is no sin in my body. I have not told a lie wittingly. I have not acted in a double manner. Grant thou to me cakes, let me appear in the presence, at the altar of the Lords of Truth, let me go in and come forth from Khert-Neter {at will}, let not my Heart- soul be driven away {from me}; and grant me a sight of the Disk and the beholding of the Moon for ever and ever." Now, what strikes me in this section, ION, is that, um, I mean, the way being a god has been presented sometimes by, by iON, is that you can do whatever you want, which may include not very nice things. But, this is implying you have to be a nice person, correct?
iON 30:30
Well, now, it's depending on what your - you're a god. It's depending on what you want to do, see? Bob wouldn't wanna do anything except for whatever Bob does. Bob will do whatever Bob does, he doesn't have to be a god to do that. But if he is, he can do those unfettered. But now, if he wants to go to Sue Bones' house and do that, okay, that's fine, but there may be rules and regulations and a god at Sue Bones' house that would be applicable. So, now it basically says, ah ha, there we go, okay, okay, okay. So, I can still do that, but in that case, I got to work in these parameters. It's basically saying I want to be able to see the moon in every case no matter what that is, please.
Carolyn 31:21
Yeah. Okay. So, it's like you're telling me about the, the 30 Aethyrs. You know, -
iON 31:31
Yes.
Carolyn 31:32
- you have choices. You can take an action with Key number 6, but you have 30 ways of going about it, which would include what you do at Sue Bones' compared to what you do at our place.
iON 31:50
Or City Island. Right.
Carolyn 31:53
Right. Very good. Interesting. Okay: "THE SPEECH OF THE PRIEST SAMEREF. I have come unto ye" -- no, that's not it: "I have come onto you, O ye Tchatcha Chiefs who dwell in Rasta, and I have brought unto you the Osiris Ani, grant ye unto him cakes, and water, and air, and a homestead in Sekhet-hetep as to the followers of Horus. The Osiris the scribe Ani, whose word is truth, adoreth Osiris, the Lord of everlastingness, and the Tchatcha Chiefs, the Lords of Rasta. He saith: "Homage to thee, O King of Khert-Neter, thou Governor of Akert! I have come unto thee. I know thy plans, I am equipped with the forms which thou takest in the Tuat. Give thou to me a place in Khert-Neter, near the Lords of Truth. May my homestead be lasting in Sekhet-hetep, may I receive cakes in thy presence." So, it's again -
iON 33:22
They always go back for that Bread of - they always go back for that Bread of Life. Don't think it's a good thing there is something called Bread of Life? They'd be in trouble.
Carolyn 33:28
Ah huh. Ah huh. The Bread of Life is just awesome toasted. Toasted Bread of Life.
iON 33:28
Mm hmm.
Carolyn 33:28
Okay - always goes back for the Bread of Life. And the next section is entitled, "THE JUDGES IN ANU." So, we've done all the, all these things, we're doing good, we're fighting off and, and making our way and -
iON 33:57
You're finding your way. You're finding your capacity to have a way. You're finding your capacity to have a way. And so, just like when you are getting ready for your coronation, they sometimes put you in waiting or they teach you about what's going on, how to stand, where do, how does it work? What are your responsibilities. Those kind of things. It's not that you're just turned loose and said okay, here's the kingdom. Here's the keys to Buckingham Palace, you know, have a rave! The other people are, got things going on, too. So, it's not like that.
Carolyn 34:32
Ah huh. Very good. However, when they talked about the Judges in Anu, we are the judge.
iON 34:45
Correct.
Carolyn 34:45
We are the judge, ourselves.
iON 34:46
You, you are the priest and the elders, yeah.
Carolyn 34:56
Yeah. Right. So, anytime we hear about god, that's us, about judge, that's us judging us. And don't get distracted, right, iON?
iON 35:12
Yeah, but that's who, your - that's your only one, you. You are your own best and worst enemy.
Carolyn 35:19
Okay, Hail to the Chief. Here we go: "Hail, Thoth, who madest to be true the word of Osiris against his enemies, make thou the word of the scribe Nebseni to be true against his enemies, even as thou didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, in the presence of the Tchatcha Chiefs who are with Ra and Osiris in Anu, on the night of the "things of the night," and the night of battle, and of the fettering of the Sebau fiends,"
Bob 35:57
(In background) Okay, hold it. You're not coming through on my phone. Would someone indicate whether Carolyn has been clear the last couple of minutes on the chatline.
Carolyn 35:58
Okay, go to the chat and look. Go to the chat and look. Bob? Okay-
iON 36:19
Wash them hands.,
Carolyn 36:19
I'll put "am I," okay, Trina it says it sounds great. Bob? Bob ran out to wash his hands. Geezes -
iON 36:32
Gotta wash them hands.
Carolyn 36:34
I know! He comes and leans over and talks to me and has to go wash his hands. What's that about?
iON 36:40
They're nasty. 'Cause they're nasty.
Bob 36:42
(In background) I had to wash my hands. I was chasing a ghost out of the bathroom.
Carolyn 36:47
Aww. Okay, so, I have to go back a little bit now: "in the presence of the Tchatcha Chiefs who are with Ra and Osiris in Anu, on the night of the "things of the night," and the night of battle, and of the fettering of the Sebau fiends, and the day of the destruction of the enemies of Neb-er-tcher." Now this the first time I saw fiends, iON. Is there significance -
iON 37:19
Right.
Carolyn 37:19
- of fiends?
iON 37:22
Yeah, these are the, these are the baddies. These are the, the devils of hell. These are the, the ones that have separated themselves. They're the ones in the purgatory.
Carolyn 37:35
Yeah.
iON 37:36
Where the dead people be.
Carolyn 37:37
Purgaory. Yeah. Okay, very good. Thank you. Continuing: "Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs in Anu are Tem, Shu, Tefnut, {Osiris and Thoth}. Now the "fettering of the Sebau fiends" (Carolyn: so they get fettered, they get tied down) signifieth the destruction of the Smaiu fiends of Set, when he wrought iniquity a second time. Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris Ani to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Tetu, on the night of setting up the Tet in Tetu. Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Tetu are Osiris, Isis, Nephthys, and Horus the avenger of his father. Now the "setting up of the "Tet in Tetu" signifieth {the raising up of} the shoulder of Horus, the Governor of Sekhem. They are round about Osiris in the band {and} the bandages." So, people are getting beaten up and band aid stuff.
iON 39:09
That's right.
Carolyn 37:37
Hmm. Okay: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be against his enemies, make thou -
iON 39:10
True against his enemies.
Carolyn 39:16
- the word of the Osiris. Ah, sorry. Start again. "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris Ani to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Sekhem, on the night of the "things of the night" in Sekhem."
Carolyn 0:00
"Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Sekhem are Heru-khenti-en-ariti and Thoth who is with the Tchatcha Chiefs of Nerutef. Now the night of the "things of the night festival" signifieth the dawn on the sarcophagus of Osiris." So, we've got the night and the day issues here.
iON 0:29
Right, both represented again. Well, you made references, you know, with the seein' the moon every time we want to, and - in and out.
Carolyn 0:38
Okay, yeah. Right, right, right. Okay, so we continue: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris the scribe Ani to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in the double town Pe-Tep, on the night of setting up the "Senti" of Horus, and of establishing him in the inheritance of the possessions of his father Osiris. Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Pe-Tep are Horus, Isis, Kesta (Mesta) and Hapi. Now the "setting up of the 'Senti' of Horus" hath reference to the words which Set spake to his followers, saying "Set up the Senti." I don't know if I should -
iON 1:44
It's laying out - it's just laying out the script, laying out the steps. The processes. What's possible.
Carolyn 1:53
Okay, fine.
iON 1:54
How to do it.
Carolyn 1:56
How to do it: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris the scribe Ani to be true, in peace, against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in the Lands of the Rekhti (Taiu-Rekhti), in the night when Isis lay down, and kept watch to make lamentation for her brother Osiris. Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Taiu-Rekhti are Isis, Horus, Kesta (Mesta) {Anpu and Thoth}." Ah, let me see how long this section is here. It's getting very boring. It goes on and on and on. Must I continue Bob? Bob says, yep, so I'll go to the next section. Not that long away. "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris true against his enemies, make thou the word of Osiris the scribe Ani, whose word is truth, in peace, to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Abtu, on the night of the god, Haker, when the dead are separated, and the spirits are judged, and when the procession taketh place in Teni. Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Abtu are Osiris, Isis, and Up-uat." Um, so these, the Chiefs - they - they're rearranging the Chiefs, iON. Is there markers -
iON 3:58
Angles.
Carolyn 3:59
- or watchers?
iON 4:01
Angles. The angles, 'cause these people are comin' from different places, different stages to the same condition. You're arriving at a condition that they're tryin' - what if you found yourself - what if you woke up and found yourself fucked-up dead? Now what? This would be really good information to have in your wheelhouse.
Carolyn 4:23
Okay. Okay. To get undead. Continuing: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris, the scribe and assessor of the sacred offerings which are made to all the gods, Ani, to be true against his enemies, with the Tchatcha Chiefs who examine the dead on the night of making the inspection of those who are to be annihilated." Okay, so iON, they'll annihilate some, and some they'll let go back to the living?
iON 5:07
Yep, that's right. Consume some and not all.
Carolyn 5:12
Yeah, and some back to the living - and the some that go back to the living, they've jumped through all the hoops that we are describing. Correct?
iON 5:27
Umm, more or less, yeah.
Carolyn 5:31
Yeah, more or less. Ah, next: "Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are present at the examination of the dead are Thoth, Osiris, Anpu and Asten (read Astes). Now the inspection (or, counting) of those who are to be annihilated signifieth the shutting up of things from the souls of the sons of revolt." So, they're annihilating the revolting ones, iON.
iON 6:08
Yeah, of course. Of course. That's what happens. That's what happens on Cash Flow all the time. Isn't it?
Carolyn 6:16
I got Cash Flow. Right. Continuing: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris the scribe Ani to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are present at the digging up of the earth {and mixing it} with their blood, and of making the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies." So, are they taking dirt and blood and making - making life iON?
iON 6:51
Well, sustaining it. Yes.
Carolyn 6:55
Okay, sustaining, yeah. Okay, awesome: "As concerning the Tchatcha Chiefs who are present at the digging up of the earth in Tetu: When the Smaiu fiends of Set came {there}, having transformed themselves into animals, these Tchatcha Chiefs slew them in the presence of the gods who were there, and they took their blood, and carried it to them. These things were permitted at the examination {of the wicked} by those {gods} who dwelt in Tetu." So, do they - they slaughter the revolting ones. Do they use that blood to sustain the others?
iON 7:43
Well, no, but once it's slaughtered it's fair game. They eat what they eat. You know, they don't care what they did. They don't care.
Carolyn 7:51
So, they use the blood from the slaughtered ones?
iON 7:55
Sure.
Carolyn 7:57
Yeah. Yes, Bob?
Bob 7:58
(In background) Take a break for a second, come here and see the sunset.
Carolyn 8:02
Ha ha ha ha. Um, yeah, it's not much more. We're going over to see the sunset, iON. Do you want to come?
iON 8:14
We're there.
Carolyn 8:16
We're there. We get some amazing sunsets here. And at this time in the month there's going to be a little sliver moon. Oh, my gosh, yeah. It's just red and purple. Good grief. Pretty awesome. So, let me take a picture and I'll put it on the chat.
iON 8:38
Nice.
Carolyn 8:39
I can do that. With my little IPhone -
iON 8:45
You Tech Body maniac.
Carolyn 8:45
- my smartphone, Bob.
iON 8:46
Tech Body, Tech Body mania.
Carolyn 8:50
Yeah. There we go. Wow. I'll use this button. (to Bob) You're muted. Did you want to get on and say anything, Bob? Wow. So there's the moon up in the left. And there's the sunset. (pause) Okay. Thanks, Bob.
Bob 9:21
(In background) But it's the waning.
Carolyn 9:25
Yeah.
Bob 9:25
(In background) Not the best part.
Carolyn 9:28
No.
Bob 9:28
(in background) Not the best part___(inaudible).
Carolyn 9:31
Ha, ha. All right-
Bob 9:35
(in background) That was the end. That was the end.
Carolyn 9:37
The end, my friend. Okay, we're back in the saddle. There are a couple of paragraphs. Let's see if I marked my ending place. (pause) Okay, continuing: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris {the scribe} Ani to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Nerutef on the night of the "Hidden of Forms." Now that I - I don't have a reference for the - for Hidden of Forms, iON. What's, what's that?
iON 10:31
Well, the - the ones - remember? Some of the watchers, some of those watchers who don't, who aren't anything? From "The Shell," or what they call walk-ins? Some of the walk-ins, back in the day? Like that.
Carolyn 10:45
Ah. Okay. Hidden Forms. Got it. "Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Nerutef are Ra, Osiris, Shu and Bebi. Now, the night of the "Hidden of Forms" referreth to the placing on the sarcophagus {of Osiris} the arm, the heel and the thigh of Osiris Un-Nefer." So, are they making from his arm, heel and thigh a whole person?
iON 11:25
They can. Yep.
Carolyn 11:30
Okay. And - placing on the sarcophagus. So, that implies that some of his body is inside and some is outside. Is that true?
iON 11:47
Correct.
Carolyn 11:50
On and in the sarcophagus. Okay.
iON 11:55
The sarcophagus is like the dermis. The way they're doing it.
Carolyn 12:01
Ahh.
iON 12:02
Like the dermis.
Carolyn 12:05
Yeah, very good. Continuing: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris, whose word is truth, to be true against his enemies, with the great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Rasta, on the night when Anpu lay with his arms on the things by Osiris, and when the word of Horus was make (Carolyn: was make!) to be true against his enemies." I wonder if that's a -
iON 12:38
Right.
Carolyn 12:38
- typo and should be - is it a typo, iON?
iON 12:43
No. No. No, no, no. It's the way - they weren't "made" because it wouldn't be a past tense. It's got to be make. It's a doing. It's an act of doing, so it wouldn't be a past tense.
Carolyn 12:55
Not a past tense. Nice. Continuing: "The great Tchatcha Chiefs who are in Rasta are Horus, Osiris, and Isis. The heart of Osiris is happy, the heart of Horus is glad, and the two halves of Egypt (Aterti) are well satisfied thereat." So, they've achieved their goal it sounds like. Is that correct?
iON 13:21
Yes, it is. They set the balance.
Carolyn 13:28
They set the balance. Yep. And, "Hail," - continuing: "Hail, Thoth, who didst make the word of Osiris true against his enemies, make thou the word of the Osiris the scribe Ani, the assessor of the holy offerings made to all the gods, to be true against his enemies, with the Ten great Tchatcha Chiefs who are with Ra, and with Osiris, and with every god, and with every goddess, in the presence of the god Nebertcher. He hath destroyed his enemies, and he hath destroyed every evil thing which appertained to him." Now. Ten. Is there something special about the Ten hearts there, the Ten Chiefs, iON?
iON 14:26
No. It will get developed when we break them down later. They list them off individually.
Carolyn 14:34
Yeah, break them down later, okay. And then we end, Bob, with the RUBRIC. RUBRIC says: "If this Chapter be recited for, or over, the deceased, he shall come forth by day, purified after death, according to the desire of his heart. Now if this Chapter be recited over him, he shall progress over the earth, and he shall escape from every fire, and none of the evil things which appertain to him shall ever be round about him; never, a million times over, shall this be." Is that true iON?
iON 15:16
Well, true is relative, but yes, it's the case.
Carolyn 15:24
So, if I go into a hospital and recite this, someone will come back from the dead.
iON 15:34
They will.
Carolyn 15:38
Okay. But then you have to take responsibility for that person, I imagine.
iON 15:43
Thaaaat's right! There you go. Most excellent. You can bring - you can bring that puppy home if you want to, but it's going to piss on the floor.
Carolyn 15:54
Thaaat's right. Heh heh heh. Okay, Bob, we did it. We did another section for Ed. Are you with me Bob?
Bob 16:10
(In background) Yes. We'll take questions after a song.
Carolyn 16:13
Okay.
Bob 16:13
(In background) What was the last bit about you leave a hospital and what would happened?
Carolyn 16:18
They say if you recite this chapter over the deceased, they shall come forth by day. And they'll be alive again. So I said: "So I'll go in hospital and recited it over someone and they'll come back?" iON said yes. And then I said: "Yeah, but then I'll be responsible for them."
Bob 16:34
(In background) Oh yeah.
Carolyn 16:35
Yeah. Okay, thank you iON.
iON 16:39
Welcome, darling.
Carolyn 16:39
Well, for now, we're gonna have a song. Thank you. And then we'll, ah, Bob says he'll bring people in to ask questions about this - this session. Thank you.
iON 16:54
Most excellent, most excellent.
Carolyn 18:09
Most fun.
Music 18:41
(Song playing.)
Bob 19:55
Could I be heard, Carolyn?
Carolyn 19:57
(In background) Yes.
Bob 19:58
Okay -
iON 19:59
Yeah, puttin' everybody to - puttin' everybody to sleep.
Bob 20:05
This is for the ghosts, the lonely ghosts that we retrieved or evoked or someone. So -
iON 20:16
You get them ghosts - you get them ghosts to fuckin', you'd be all right.
Bob 20:21
All right. Okay, so Greg or Ginney, do you have any statements or comments or questions about what Carolyn read?
Greg 20:32
No, I got no comment on the - what she read, Bob. I have not, ah, followed it much due to sporadic evenings home on Saturdays.
Bob 20:45
Right. So, did you hear us discuss the Trump article?
Greg 20:50
I did. I was on the phone and I, I guess I was muted. I was talking and asking, but it sounded like you couldn't hear me, ah, so I checked my phone -
Bob 20:59
Hmm, don't know what that was.
Greg 20:59
- a couple of times, so that was on. Yeah.
Bob 21:02
Yeah, I might have been - it's hard for people to connect right now to get in.
Greg 21:09
Yeah, you mentioned it, so -
Bob 21:10
So, I don't know. Okay, so does Ginney got anything to say? Nothing?
Greg 21:15
No, she's already gone to bed. She's already gone to bed.
Bob 21:18
Okay. All right. So -
Greg 21:24
Couple of questions, though, on the article -
Bob 21:25
So, do you want to mention -
Greg 21:27
Yeah, on the article -
Bob 21:28
Yeah, we'll do that after.
Greg 21:30
Okay.
Bob 21:30
Let's see, keep it in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. So, we'll come back to that. If you stay up.
Greg 21:35
Sounds good. Okay, we'll do.
Bob 21:36
Yeah. All right. So, does Leon have any questions for, or, themes on the Egyptian Book of the Dead? (pause) Well, I'll leave his line open to see if he comes on. Meanwhile, does Trina have anything to say?
Trina 22:01
I think that's an awful long chapter to read over somebody that's dead.
Bob 22:08
Hear that, Carolyn?
Carolyn 22:08
(In bakround) Yeah.
Trina 22:13
(laughter)
iON 22:13
Depends on if want them back. Depends on if you want them back or not. It ain't too long if you're trying to get 'em back.
Carolyn 22:22
Yeah, especially if the nurses are -
Trina 22:23
And if she's anxiously reading it -
Carolyn 22:26
Yeah, and the nurses and doctors are comin' in and sayin', what? What are you doin'? What are you doin'?
Trina 22:33
Yeah.
iON 22:33
Malpractice! Malpractice! Malpractice! No, it ain't no malpractices if they're dead. You got nothin' to do with them once they're dead 'cause of ya hypocritical oath.
Bob 22:41
(laughing) So, is that it, Trina -
Trina 22:47
Yeah, I have nothing to say, Bob.
Bob 22:48
- just an emotional response?
Trina 22:51
That's right, I don't have - just listening. But, thank you.
Bob 22:56
You just - nobody knows what to say about any of this, right?
Trina 22:58
I'm just absorbing. Yeah.
Bob 23:01
Yes.
Trina 23:02
Okay, well I really -
Bob 23:03
Okay -
Trina 23:03
- like how - I don't understand what it means, but I really liked how Carolyn brings it back to the Revelations and the Keys - that makes it more meaningful for me.
Bob 23:13
Yeah.
iON 23:15
They said the same thing about the Revelation series, and it's going down in history as a pretty good one, the fair one - ha ha ha - the fair one, isn't, Bob?
Bob 23:27
(laughing) Okay. All right.
Trina 23:29
Thank you.
Bob 23:29
Thank you, Trina. All right, then we - Leon we still got the line open if you want to speak. And then we have Nick or Michael. Do you guys have anything to say? (pause) Maybe people are having problems connecting. So, and then, anonymous, do you have anything to say?
Alissa 23:59
It's Alissa.
Bob 24:02
Alissa, yeah, do you -
Alissa 24:03
Can you hear me?
Bob 24:06
Yes, do you have anything to say?
Alissa 24:07
Um, I - not right now. I just tuned in to the last bit of Carolyn's thing, so I'm - I don't have anything prepared to question right now.
Bob 24:18
Okay. All right. Okay. And, um, Scott. You said you weren't that interested in the Book of the Dead, but maybe this time you have something to say?
Scott 24:35
Um, well, I was wondering if - my - isn't, isn't - wasn't Thoth the - um - the god who invented writing? I mean, what - isn't that what he's - because Plato talked about that, I think.
Bob 24:56
Yes. I think it's called -
iON 24:59
He was given reference to it. Given reference to it. It's more of a - not an alpha numeric congregation. It's more of the - how the pictures lead into characters. Like the Phoenix: the bird stands for this and that. For the meanings and the inferences is what he gets credited for.
Bob 25:22
He was a translator of the ideograms? Is that what you mean?
iON 25:28
Not really a translator, he was the - he drew parallels to them. Which is what Scott's trying to imply.
Bob 25:40
He would use them to tell his stuff. Not, you know - what's your point here? That he would say nothing related -
Scott 25:48
Yeah, he was - the relation -
Bob 25:50
Just a minute, Scott! Just a minute, Scott!
Scott 25:50
Okay.
Bob 25:52
Let me make it clear with iON.
Scott 25:53
Okay.
Bob 25:54
So you're saying, iON, he would talk about the ideograms with his own improvised meanings, nothin' to do with what the ideograms might have applied to in the Book of the Dead?
iON 26:08
But, they were translated into what they meant because of Thoth. He got - whatever he said, that's what they went with.
Bob 26:17
Well now, I said, he's a translator. You said no, and you gave some other words. Now you're saying he translated them.
iON 26:25
No! The translation would be something we call accurate. This is his opinion of a translation. We don't find that to be -
Bob 26:33
Why did he get - did that lead to an invention of some kind of writing?
iON 26:40
Um, we'd say no.
Bob 26:43
So, the, the perception that he invented writing for the Egyptians is not accurate.
iON 26:52
Yeah, 'cuz they didn't do writing. Eyptians don't do writing, still don't.
Scott 26:56
They don't -
Bob 26:58
Okay, writing referred that -
Scott 27:00
They don't do - they don't do phonetic writing but, but they do ideo-, ideographic writing. I mean, they do, ah, hieroglyphs. So, right?
iON 27:10
Which is right. Which is what Thoth gets credit for laying out. Yeah.
Scott 27:16
Right. Yes.
Bob 27:18
Well, that's what I was saying, iON. Pay attention.
iON 27:22
Bob! Bob! -
Bob 27:24
Plato, Plato -
iON 27:24
Listen! Listen! Listen to what you're saying.
Bob 27:27
Oh, no, no, you listen!
iON 27:28
Yeah. No! no! -
Bob 27:29
Plato -
iON 27:30
- we're not gonna listen! No, we're not gonna listen! We're gonna, you gonna -
Bob 27:33
You're gonna listen!
iON 27:34
Just a second!
Bob 27:34
You're gonna listen!
iON 27:35
Here's what's gonna happen! Here's what's gonna happen! He made up words. And that's what he said those things were. Okay? Now, if you call that a translator, we don't care. But he could make up anything, and that's what stood. So the translation might not be correct. But whatever he said, right or wrong, he's stuck. That's what we're saying. So, you maybe thought -
Scott 28:08
So, that's, that's similar -
Bob 28:09
Wait a minute, Scott! Wait a minute, Scott! Hold it Scott.
Scott 28:11
Okay. Okay.
Bob 28:12
So, iON, he - he did not invent the writing of the ideograms!
iON 28:21
Correct. That's exactly right. Just gets credit for it.
Bob 28:24
And he, and he and Plato - we read Plato, we think maybe hieratic writing, but then the more educated say, okay, no, it's Egyptian writing. Thoth did that, and the Pharaoh said, this will cause forgetfulness in the learner souls and all that. That did not - Thoth did not do that! He did not do it as Plato presents it. Correct.?
iON 28:47
Perfect. That's exactly correct. Very good. So, you are correct, Bob, in your words. We just want to be very clear. That that meaning can't be messed up with something else.
Bob 28:48
There's another -
Scott 28:49
So -
Bob 28:59
- reason why Thoth didn't invent the writing? Just a minute, Scott. Because I was Thoth! or am Thoth! I never invent nothin', I just interpret. Correct? He was being me!
iON 29:11
Well, or - or, you more - you more, you intimate more than you interpret.
Bob 29:16
Right. This is what you're saying he did.
iON 29:19
Correct. Good.
Scott 29:22
Let me say -
Bob 29:23
Now is that Ophanel ? Is Thoth Ophanel?
iON 29:28
No, Ophanel is higher in the food chain than Thoth.
Bob 29:33
Well, how did that - how did I become Thoth? Was that an exit from the Ophanel roll?
iON 29:39
You - they overheard you. You was fuckin' some of them damn Nubians again, talking out of your damn head. And they heard it, they were there hustlin'. And you're hav'n the ooh and the aah, and the ooh and the aah, and they started making that sound like somethin'. And they thought, oh, it's god, cause the little Nubian you's havin' engagement with, said: oh god! oh god! oh god! oh god! And so, they thought it was god, and so, there it went. It went downhill from there. Then Carolyn come in and whooped the hell out of everybody. Carolyn walked in and whooped the hell out of everybody.
Bob 30:14
(laughing) Now was that Ophenel or Thoth that was oohing and aahing?
iON 30:19
That was Ophanel doin' the oohing and aahing, and Thoth was ear hustlin'.
Bob 30:25
Oh, so Thoth took - took it from Ophenel.
iON 30:31
Correct.
Bob 30:34
Why do you say I was Thoth? You mean because Thoth took it from Ophenel? That's what you mean, I was Ophenel.
iON 30:41
Correct.
Bob 30:41
Okay. I get it. Okay Scott.
iON 30:43
That's right, the same way we say it was Marge Stewart. We say it was Marshall McLuhan when it was really Marge Stewart.
Scott 30:49
So, this is, so this is sort of like what Derek Vogt is saying Moses did with the phonetic alphabet. Which is, he got the symbols and then he - then he made up a story to go with them so that he could assign - he can assign them phonetic values and fit it into a story so that he could preserve the program. But the program actually came from, I don't know, the gods or, or something. It had a different source.
iON 31:24
James. James Joyce 101. Perfect.
Scott 31:28
Yeah, right. Same, yeah. Okay. Right. So, so in a way, Thoth is about the transition from one sort of medium mentality to another. He's the - he's the carryover or the metaphor from one - from one age to another?
iON 31:53
Yeah. And we we're not absolutely positive about that, but Plato was a tranee, that's for sure.
Scott 31:59
Oh, okay.
Carolyn 32:00
(laughter in backround)
Bob 32:03
Was a tranee, Carolyn?
Carolyn 32:04
(in background) Yeah.
Bob 32:04
Okay.
Scott 32:09
All right, I just wanted - that's, that's what I wanted to clear up.
iON 32:14
You did great.Thank you.
Scott 32:16
Thank you.
Bob 32:22
Ah, let me just see. (sneezes) Excuse me. Just starting my notes, so, Scott was about 10 minutes so that's 6:22. Okay, so -
iON 32:37
(singsong voice) Sixteen 22.
Bob 32:37
Aw, I forgot to play that. Sorry. Um, so we got here Bert. You got something to contribute on the Book of the Dead, Bert?
Bert 32:49
Yes I do, Bob. Hey, iON, are the pylons -
iON 32:52
Hey!
Bert 32:52
- connected to portals?
iON 32:55
No. They're in - they're what hold up the, the, the space between the middle ground where the dead are, okay? The pylons are the things, the headers that hold up that space. Otherwise it would be enveloped onto itself likened to a black hole.
Scott 33:14
So, it's like, it's like a mineshaft. It's like a mine.
iON 33:19
Kinda. Kinda. Kinda, that's right. Not linear like that, but yeah.
Bob 33:25
What is it that's like a mineshaft?
Bert 33:27
Is the mineshaft the middle ground?
Bob 33:28
Oh, the pylons, the pylons are like things in a mineshaft? I see.
iON 33:33
Yeah. Or like, a pier built on those pylons and it's one right after the other.
Bob 33:40
Okay, Bert.
Bert 33:41
Right. Yes, I have another, iON. The Tchatcha Chief title. Does that represent the hierarchy among the gods? Because a lot of gods were represented -
iON 33:53
Strata.
Bert 33:53
- with theTchatcha Chief title.
iON 33:54
Strata.
Bert 33:55
Strata.
iON 33:56
Strata. Um hm.
Bert 33:59
Okay. That's all I have, Bob. Thank you.
Bob 34:04
(laughing) That's all everybody has. I don't know, Carolyn -
iON 34:10
Well, it started off -
Bob 34:10
- if that's not enough questions.
iON 34:11
- it started, it started off real good though. Didn't it, Bob?
Bob 34:15
Who? Bert? Oh who, or what?
iON 34:18
Bert. Yeah. He started off good.
Bob 34:20
Oh, Bert. Yeah, Bert started off pretty good, but (laughing) he'll have to redeem himself in the private session. Okay, well Trina has her hand up. Trina has remembered something to say or ask. Right, Trina?
Trina 34:33
Yeah, yeah, in reference to the Book of the Dead. It looks - it's kinda of sounding to me, like, if we say this over somebody and they come back to life, it looks like they're going to be in in an ascended realm. So, is that right iON? I as a little man -
iON 34:55
No, no.
Trina 34:56
No? Even in the RUBRIC -
iON 34:57
There won't be. No.
Trina 34:57
- where it says -
iON 34:58
You're not makin' them - you're not makin' them a god! You're making them a live human.
Trina 35:05
Okay, so when it says none of the evils which appertain to him shall be around him.
iON 35:11
Well, but that's -
Trina 35:13
Is that -
iON 35:14
- that's a negotiated -
Trina 35:14
- meaning the person that you brought forth?
iON 35:17
That's a, that's a negotiated point. Right. So, yeah.
Trina 35:21
Because that's the desire of his heart.
iON 35:24
Correct.
Trina 35:26
Okay. Okay, interesting.
iON 35:32
Good.
Trina 35:32
Okay.
Bob 35:33
Okay. Do you have a question, Serling? I don't think you're phoning in, but do you have a question on topic here? Ah, rather than your silly claims you're typing, do you have something relevant to contribute? Amy is very impressed with the overall party.
iON 35:54
Yay. Amy's very impressed.
Bob 35:57
We'll wait to see if he types anything. So, I'll go to, back to Nick or Michael. Anything there, Michael? Nick? And anonymous? I don't know if that's Ophilia or someone else. No, that's Alissa. So we'll come back to her later. And then Greg has nothing, so we have no questions. I think we've run out.
iON 36:24
Yay.
Bert 36:25
I have some follow up. I have follow up, iON, ah, Bob.
Bob 36:31
About the Book of the Dead?
Bert 36:33
Yes, from iON's answer.
Bob 36:35
Okay. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
Bert 36:38
Hey, iON, the pylon's in the middle ground. So there's more than one way to go into the middle ground or come out of the middle ground from the pylons.
iON 36:49
There is. There certainly is. Very good. It's good to be number one.
Bert 36:55
But they're - but they're only - they're only exits, they're not entrances. Correct?
iON 37:03
Ummm, well - we can't just say it like that because Bob's gots some outs. He can get in there. And he don't say. Ask him. He won't tell ya. So -
Bob 37:18
Ain't tellin' you that, Bert.
iON 37:19
(Bob and Bert chuckle) He ain't tellin' you. Bob can get in there.
Bert 37:26
iON, is there a significance -
iON 37:27
(inaudible)
Bert 37:27
- of the number 21? Is there a significance -
Bob 37:31
What?
Bert 37:31
- of having 21 pylons? Is there a significance -
iON 37:34
There is.
Bert 37:34
- of the number of pylons?
iON 37:36
There is.
Bob 37:39
Well, that's three sevens, does that mean something?
Bert 37:41
Right. Yeah.
iON 37:43
No, it's - there's actually 22. They don't give the other last one. So, it's 22.
Bob 37:48
Ah! So that's what helped create the Kabbalah, or the Kabbalah was only involved with angels?
iON 38:00
Angels are involved in this, so yeah.
Scott 38:04
Aren't there 22, ah, aren't there 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet?
iON 38:10
There are.
Scott 38:12
Okay. Is there a correspondence between those? Between the pylons and the, ah, and the letters in the Hebrew alphabet?
iON 38:22
With the Kabbal. With the Kabbal, yeah. Kabbalah, Kabbal. Ah huh. You're on, you're on a path that's right and throughout the damn book of Moses, but it was all those damn Benjamites that got you fucked up.
Scott 38:38
Well, they wiped those out.
Bob 38:39
Did they?
Scott 38:41
Didn't they wipe out the Benjamites?
iON 38:44
See, that's what got you fucked up.
Scott 38:46
Hmm.
Bob 38:49
What? The Benjamites' interaction with the alphabet? The Hebrew alphabet?
iON 38:53
Ah huh. Do.
Bob 38:55
Are they, are they the ones responsible for the Kabbalah?
iON 38:58
Ahhh. We don't want to say responsible. They had lot to do with it.
Bob 39:07
They had a lot to do with it. Okay. Now, see, Amy? Do you have something on the Book of the Dead you want to mention?
Amy 39:18
No, not on the Book of the Dead. You need to pass me. Go on.
Bob 39:24
Yeah, we're going to finish the Book of the Dead first. Okay, so - um - anybody got anything to say?
Bert 39:34
Yeah, one more. One more, Bob, to follow-up iON's answer.
Bob 39:36
Okay.
Bert 39:37
iON, one more. Okay, iON, you said that the Tchatcha title is a strata. Is there, is there a difference to you in strata and hierarchy?
iON 39:47
Yes, hierarchy is the pecking order. And strata is where you come into the picture.
Bert 39:55
Strata is where you come into the picture.
iON 39:58
Yeah. Now, if you're in the airplane -
Alissa 40:00
Is that the same -
iON 40:01
- and flying? If you're in the airplane and you're flying? So, let's say you're in the stratosphere and you go to the troposphere. That would be a - which one would that be? (pause) That'd be the strata.
Bert 40:15
The troposphere. Strata, okay. Yes, okay, I see.
iON 40:19
Those different layers are strata. But if you're in an airplane and you're flying and you enter it, then that doesn't have anything to do with a pecking order that's just where, it's just where you are. So, there's not like a climbing or caste system. It's just where you enter the picture. See the difference?
Bert 40:35
Okay. Yes.
iON 40:38
Perfect. On point.
Bert 40:39
But, also when, when you were, ah, when every time that the Tchatcha Chief title came up, sometimes there were three gods, sometimes were four, and sometimes were six. Is there's a significance to that mention of law that sometimes there were only three?
iON 40:55
They rarely run it themselves -
Bert 40:57
Is that also -
iON 40:57
- because they have no power -
Bert 40:59
They rarely run by themselves.
iON 41:00
- individually. Because they have no power individually. They have to have a corporeal reference or back in the day it would be like: can I get a witness? So, that becomes the witness.
Bert 41:13
They have no power individually. That's different.
iON 41:16
Correct.
Bert 41:17
Is that because of they're in the dead? Is that because they're in the dead realm?
iON 41:22
No. They don't have to stay - wait, hold on. They don't have to stay the dead realm. So, not always. See, this isn't just bound to that. This is describing that position. But that's not the only position that you're including, or that's inclusively included. You get that?
Bert 41:45
Yes! There's a - there's a lot there. So, the gods - are you saying gods generally do not have power individually, or is this just reference to the Book -
iON 41:56
We're not talkin' - just reference to the Book of the Dead. Okay.
Bert 42:08
So that's why they come in a certain order. Sometimes - there's always at least three or two. I think it was three I always saw, but then sometimes there were five or six. So that's - is there a significance - sometimes there's three and sometimes there were five referenced?
iON 42:23
Right.
Bert 42:27
Based on the message that went on before they were declared. Yes?
iON 42:32
Correct.
Bert 42:34
Okay. Thank you. (pause) Alissa was gonna say something.
Bob 42:41
Okay. Alissa, do you want to say something?
Alissa 42:45
The strata of the gods who had the hierarchy, that made me think, iON, of when you were talking a couple weeks ago and you were saying it's not an order, it's a condition. So, does that condition -
iON 42:45
Yeah. Same conversation.
Alissa 43:03
- apply to the strata? Yeah.
iON 43:06
Same conversation. It's what that con - it's what that's based - it's what that conversation's based on. Which is great. That's why these days we're having to be a liiiittle bit more particular with how we proscribe things 'cause this is recorded and you'll have it forever and, and, and we want to make sure it's pretty right.
Alissa 43:26
Yeah.
iON 43:26
So, then you come back and say: (mocking) iON! You said some'um, some'um, some'um, some'um. Like, fuck that. Where did that come from, anyway?
Alissa 43:34
(giggle) So, do the different tropospheres, ionospheres, conditions, have to do with tonal base and frequency?
iON 43:45
It would. Yeah. It would apply.
Alissa 44:06
I didn't hear the session earlier. What's the middle ground?
iON 44:12
That's what all this is about.
Alissa 44:17
That's the in - the in-between the dead and alive or, what's all this about?
iON 44:23
No, no, no this is gettin' you to where the dead are.
Alissa 44:30
Are the dead in the middle ground?
iON 44:33
Nooo, they're on the other side. The pylons -
Alissa 44:38
Okay.
iON 44:38
- separate - the pylons would be the middle ground. If you're gonna say it like that.
Alissa 44:47
Oh, so, is that like the valance and valence of the fourteenth ring?
iON 44:53
Yeah, but you're reaching.
Alissa 44:56
Okay. Okay. So, getting you to where the dead are, um, I don't understand that phrase. So, is that like saying - that because of -
iON 45:21
You're going to get people from - Listen! Stop! Don't, if you don't get it, don't make some more words you don't get. Let us do that first. All right, you got dead people. They're not here. They're there. Where's there? Okay, wherever the dead people are. It doesn't matter. This Book of the Dead makes conversation that gets to a step by step place to take you where the dead are. You still may not know where the dead are, but it takes you there.
Alissa 45:53
Okay. Okay, thank you.
iON 45:55
It doesn't matter where they are. See, that's the difference between the strata and the stepping place, and the - all that conversation get cleaned up, itself, if it doesn't matter. They're at the airport! Okay, where's the airport? Okay, which airport is it? Is it a high airport or low airport? No, but they fly into it. Well, on the - okay, what's the gate? Okay, Gate 22. Gate 17. Gate 9. Okay. So, you can get in and out from there. Right? But the gates work both ways, but in this particular thing the gates only come in, they don't go out. That's the difference. Got that?
Alissa 46:41
Okay.
iON 46:43
Okay, now the better words now are: Does that help?
Alissa 46:50
I don't know how to apply the - if they only get in, they don't get out. But you said that Bob can get in and out?
iON 46:59
Yeah, to the place. For, see, if they can get themselves out, they don't need the Book of the Dead. If the dead could -
Alissa 47:08
(giggle)
iON 47:08
- save themselves, they'd be saved. You see the difference? You gotta go get 'em. That's the point, darlin'. That's what this is about.
Scott 47:16
Well, yeah, but I'm afraid to go - to go there because I might not be able to get back.
iON 47:24
That's why you want to do the OA movements.
Scott 47:27
Oh.
iON 47:27
You're valid. And wait now. And you're valid. Your words are sound. You're right. Yeah, that's right.
Alissa 47:37
Yeah, -
iON 47:37
And there's no reason -
Alissa 47:38
- why would we want to -
iON 47:39
- there's no reason -
Alissa 47:40
-why would we want to get them?
iON 47:41
Well! Well, of course there's a thousand reasons why you want to!
Alissa 47:49
(giggle)
iON 47:54
What if you were Germaine and you can't get the deed signed? Can't get it tranferrred. Bring that motherfucker back. Guillermo. Bring him back and make him do the paperwork right. Go get his ass. Do it. That's a good reason to do it. Get -
Alissa 48:08
Okay.
iON 48:08
- them money checks. Get them money checks. Okay? Somebody run all - and Bob, Bob may get real good at this and go bring all 'em motherfuckers that owes him money. He may bring all 'em back and say, I'm gonna hold you right here till you pay your money plus interest. You see. He may do that. A lot of people die owin' Bob money.
Alissa 48:38
So, is this all very -
iON 48:40
As normal rule of thumb, Bob's not that generous. So it's very odd for him to actually have money in the take, but apparently is to some people.
Alissa 48:52
And, is this all very applicable because the Guf is disappearing.? So, there's -
iON 49:00
It's disappeared.
Alissa 49:03
Disappeared. Okay, but that's why we're doing this because the dead are here?
iON 49:09
Nah, we were bored and we just needed somethin' - we were bored and just needed somethin' to do and we's fucking around and y'all was getting antsy -
Alissa 49:16
(giggle) I don't think so.
iON 49:17
- and not doin' the right thing. Not doin' what you're supposed to, wasn't ascending right, you wasn't calling in, you wasn't answering, you wasn't doin' your thing. Other people are comin' in and goin' to take your spot, going to beat your time, so Bob thought he'd take one more chance to give you all another window or a hike up because Bob does without so that y'all can have. Otherwise he'd take the time and just do it in private sessions for himself. He's real selfish like that, he'd do it in a second. But, noooo, he has to bring y'all to the middle ground so that you can have a taste of heaven, however supernal and fleeting.
Bob 50:01
So, is that it, Alissa, for the Book of the Dead, for you? (pause) Okay.
Alissa 50:12
Okay, yeah.
Bob 50:13
Do you have a question Roy? Okay. Do you have a question, Roy, for The Book?
Roy 50:19
Yeah, I like to kind of understand how we can get to use this because it's not the kind of thing you want to try one day, is it? Or is there a way we can -
iON 50:29
Why not?
Roy 50:30
Well one thing is you don't normally have, you know, dead people you want to practice on there, so that's a that's a bit of a -
iON 50:38
Really? Ya got nobody in your world that's ever died -
Roy 50:42
Okay, yeah, well -
iON 50:42
- that you wanna bring back?
Roy 50:43
So, so, can you do that for somebody who died years ago and stuff - then can you?
iON 50:49
Well, especially - you're in luck. There's no time, so yeah, yep.
Roy 50:55
All right.
Scott 50:56
So, what if, what if you want to bring back some - someone who was, ah - what's the word when they, when they burn them up?
iON 51:07
Cremation.
Scott 51:09
Yeah, cremation. And they scattered their ashes or something.
iON 51:14
Don't matter. Ashes and ashes and dust to dust. It doesn't matter. And nothin' to do with it.
Scott 51:21
Okay.
Roy 51:22
So, the state of their body that - why they died has gotten no problem - it's they're just back to normal. Is that what you're saying?
iON 51:29
Basically, yeah.
Roy 51:31
Right. Would this -
iON 51:33
You aren't flesh and blood. You aren't flesh and blood either, already now.
Roy 51:37
No, I understand that. Would this work -
iON 51:39
You have an image.
Roy 51:40
- on animals?
iON 51:40
You have an image - Ahhh, yeah. Beasts have the same thing. Now that you loosed the Tech Body to this level, the beasts are becomin' more superior to you. And the humans that don't ascend are becoming the beast.
Roy 51:54
Um hmm.
iON 51:59
Ya understand?
Roy 52:01
Yeah. So, I can see people trying it on pets first because that would be common thing. All right. I'll -
iON 52:12
On Pinterest, too.
Roy 52:15
On Pinterest?
iON 52:18
Yeah.
Roy 52:21
What does that mean? You talking about the website?
iON 52:25
Yeah. Tech Body. Yeah.
Roy 52:28
Ah.
iON 52:28
We do that. (pause)
Bob 52:40
Are you stumped, Roy?
Roy 52:42
Yeah, I don't understand. How does Pinterest apply?
iON 52:47
Tech Body connection.
Bob 52:52
The Egyptian Book Of The Dead is about the Tech Body.
iON 52:55
Um hmm.
Roy 52:58
Um hmm. But Pinterest is a site with, with photos of things. Is that what you're referring to?
iON 53:07
Yeah. They're called Pins.
Roy 53:11
Yeah, Pins -
iON 53:12
Things you might be interested in. And it's called Pinterest because you might be interested in those Pins.
Roy 53:20
Right.
Bob 53:20
So, iON, since the Tech Body is eight-elevenths, you and your Non-Physical come forth to be not Non- Physical, at least not the uncreating part. So, the Tech Body interacts with the Non-Physical and that would involve the dead? - and ex-Guf residents? That's why -
iON 53:23
It would. It would.
Bob 53:24
- the dead thing happening.
iON 53:40
It would. It would include it. We're trying to slow it down because when you rip this thing asunder - there was a movie some time ago with Dan Aykroyd, and they called it - wait a minute. What was the name of it? Wait.
Bob 53:43
The "Ghost Busters."
iON 53:59
You know, it had to do with - "Ghost Busters"!
Bob 54:02
"Ghost Busters."
iON 54:02
Exactly right. Exactly. What an incredible meme that set up. Nobody even thought about it like that. They knew about scary things. They knew "The Shining," and they watched the, that "Blair Witch Project" and the damn, little Megan on "The Exorcist" and that kinda foolishness. But,I mean, that was the case. But this was a way where it lined up that these unquieted dead spirits, monster, Poltergeist, glob, glob, glibber glibs 'em glim glammers was all around. And they were separated and something pierced - but it was Gozer, the Gozerian, pierced that, that thing, and allowed them to flow back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. That's the rub.
Bob 54:59
So, I used to say that, you know, McLuhan's evolution of technology extended our different body parts and faculties. Then it extended - the satellite extended the planet, the whole planet. We created an artificial planet to exist in. Then I said iON shows up to show the next extension of - which would be Non-Physical. So, iON has extended Non-Physical, and it meets the technological evolution prior to the Non-Physical and then that becomes a Tech Body. So, the new aspect of media ecology should be called paramedia ecology, because the technological escape we're dealing with is no longer chip body Android meme or anything because it does involve the Non-Physical, physical, and battles with the angels and other aspects of another dimension, not just the physical senses. Do you agree with that?
iON 56:02
We do.
Bob 56:04
Right. So, note that, Scott, that's what I mean when I say we we have broken into a new level of media ecology that goes past McLuhan or anybody before even Kroker because the Non-Physical enters into it. So, we knew you were merging with the physical, iON, and then you told us in late 2011 that it was hologramic. It was a hologram, so that started to bring in the technological landscape as being part of you, the new you. And then we've learned more about the, the old Non-Physical landscape of, I guess, fairies, demons, angels, dead people.
iON 56:47
Nephilim.
Bob 56:48
That enters -
iON 56:49
Nephilim, seraphim.
Bob 56:51
Right. Yeah. So, that, that merges with you into the physical, but the physical with technology and the residue of the Non-Physical that you carry with it, I guess. So it -
iON 57:07
Yeah.
Bob 56:54
- makes very logical sense that you're, you're the next environment, or what you're doing, and the Tech Body is part of the interaction of heaven and earth or Non-Physical and physical. It makes a lot of sense and, and perfect province or landscape for me to gallop around in since I waited on the sidelines and followed through the McLuhan scene, the Kroker scene, and then because of my side actions with the Non-Physical, with Worcester and Michael Blake Read, that set me up to be the "quote" McLuhan or Kroker or Thompson of this period with this new phenomenon that Marge Stewart foresaw. Correct? Like that?
iON 58:02
Correct. Love it.
Bob 58:04
Right. Okay, so does that stimulate a question for you, Scott, in relation to the Book of the Dead?
Scott 58:13
Um, well, I had this, ah, I'm somewhat concerned about my sister who passed away about a year ago, or something. And then I had this thought about the dendrite sisterhood. And I didn't know what it meant. But I looked up the, the concept of a dendrite and it's, it's a - it's an extension of a nerve cell or a certain kind of cell that's like tree limbs or tree roots. And, and there's a phase, where a, where a juvenile dendritic cell or dendrite, starts off by having a veil or a membrane that, that eventually (transmission corrupted) another dendrite or something. You know, I don't know about there's a gap there or something but, at any rate, it transitions through that gap. It's like juxtaposable positions, I think. And so, and so I was wondering if this notion of the dendrites and the diendrite sisterhood, um -
iON 59:41
Right.
Scott 59:41
- is, is on the right track and, ah, and what does the sisterhood mean or is that just referring to my concern about my sister?
iON 0:01
Right.
Bob 0:07
You didn't get a question of that iON?
iON 0:11
No.
Bob 0:13
Okay, so is the dendrite sisterhood, Scott, is that a group of people?
Scott 0:18
Well, I don't - it was just, it was just a phrase that came to me and, and I immediately, initially, thought of it as like, you know, the Sisterhood of feminists or something like that. It's like the - it's like, ah, a gender sisterhood or something. But then I just, and I was intending to ask a question about that, it's like, what does the term sisterhood mean? The relationship between sisters or would brothers be involved in that as well?
Bob 0:53
Are you - you're making this up. There's no group of feminists or somebody called the dendrite sisterhood?
Scott 0:59
No, there isn't. I just - it just came to me.
Bob 1:01
Ha ha ha ha. Maybe that's why iON doesn't know what to - you have to ask a question about your concept then because it's not based on reality.
Scott 1:10
That's what I'm asking is. Is, is the concept of a dendrite sisterhood valid as a generalization, or is it just valid to my particular circumstance? Is the sisterhood referring to like something like, like feminism? Or, is there like, well, the term dendrite actually comes from the Latin term for trees. So, so my thinking is that, is that like trees have a gender or something? And, and so, the dendrite sisterhood would be like the sisterhood of all trees. And, so, is a dendrite sisterhood like that - do dendrites have a gender?
Bob 2:02
Yep, but that relates to your concept. It's all within your projection. So, there's not, none of that out there.
Scott 2:08
Oh, yeah. So, first of all, is my concept valid?
iON 2:15
No different than Inception. The different layers of a dream. Are they valid? Yeah.
Scott 2:23
Okay, yeah. And it came to me as kind of when I was coming out of a dream. And there was also the concept along with it, I think, of doors. And of, there were like two doors that were available to me and there were potentially a lot more doors. And I was trying to push through and say, let's open all those other doors and - and, and then instead of that, this business about the dendrite sisterhood came to me. So, I'm just trying to -
Bob 2:57
Okay, Scott.
Scott 2:58
Okay.
Bob 2:59
Yeah, that's your concept, but we're talking about the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Why don't you talk to your sister right now?
Scott 3:08
Well, I'm kinda scared, but, ah, okay.
Bob 3:11
Well, just ask through iON. See what she has to say. Does he have a comment?
Scott 3:18
Do, do you have a comment or, or a way for me to talk to my sister? Could I talk to my sister?
Bob 3:25
No. You don't - you address your sister right now and iON will pick up a response.
Scott 3:36
Um, Vicki, are you happy where you are?
iON 3:47
Wow.
Bob 3:48
Ha ha. What did you say, iON?
iON 3:52
Wow.
Bob 3:52
(laughing) Wow. That's her response?
iON 4:02
Yeah.
Bob 4:04
She says wow, she's amazed that you're talking to her, Scott. Ha ha. Go to the next question.
Scott 4:22
Well, I want to thank her for for, for her love and for everything she did for me. Thank you, Vicki. And, and I can remember when you put your hand through the door of the French doors and, and, and ripped your wrist. I can - if I close my eyes I can imagine those like white scars on your wrist from from where your hand went through the window. After it healed.
iON 4:57
Mm hmm. Apparently.
Bob 5:01
What did you say, iON? Fairly or apparently?
iON 5:04
Apparently.
Bob 5:06
Apparently. Was she older than you, Scott?
Scott 5:11
No, she's younger.
Bob 5:15
But she helped you.
Scott 5:18
Yeah. Vicki was kind of different. Like me. And I guess we, we both sort of connected because of our difference. And the other two in the family were like not different. They were like, they fit in. So, we didn't fit in. So, I really miss her.
Bob 5:47
So, ask her why she didn't fit in. Ask her why she didn't fit in.
Scott 5:54
Would she know? Any more than she did when she was alive? Do you know why you didn't fit in, Vicki?
iON 6:04
We're doin' The Book of the Dead.
Scott 6:08
Okay.
Bob 6:08
Ha ha ha. Vicki wants us to stay on the topic, but The Book of the Dead is about communicating with the dead. So, Vicki is this relevant? Is Vicki being different -
iON 6:25
Butt fucking -
Bob 6:26
- saying something like that?
iON 6:27
- butt fucking is for the other section of the program, Bob.
Bob 6:31
What kind of fucking?
iON 6:34
Butt fucking is for a different part of the program.
Bob 6:36
Butt fucking. Is Vicki saying that or iON saying that?
iON 6:41
We are saying it, Bob.
Bob 6:45
Not Vicky. So Vicky wants us to stay with the - she does not see the relevance of her in the Book of the Dead series. Of her communicating with Scott. That's odd.
iON 6:58
Yeah.
Scott 7:01
She's very practical. She's very practical.
Bob 7:06
Well, that's efficient causality. That's from the literate effect. She's very literate. She's goin' by the book.
Scott 7:13
Yeah. She, she had, ah, she used to beat everybody in - remember that game called concentration? She had phenomenal pictorial memory. She, once the cards were turned over to reveal the face, she never forgot where they were.
Bob 7:33
Wow. That's called -
Scott 7:35
So, she couldn't visualize - yeah.
Bob 7:37
- yeah, photographic memory.
Scott 7:41
Yeah. So she always - and, ah, and she was also really good at history. She understood history really well, but she never, she never had a chance, to like, get the advanced education to really - I don't know.
Bob 7:56
So, that, that made her odd. So it was -
iON 8:02
It may, it may have served her well.
Scott 8:07
What?
Bob 8:07
Right. It may have served her well.
iON 8:07
It may have served her well.
Scott 8:14
Yeah.
Bob 8:14
Yeah, but she had a visual memory. Not necessarily a literate memory, but a photographic visual eye person. That can be a -
Scott 8:34
Yeah -
Bob 8:29
- if a woman is right hemisphere and oral more than eye, then she'd be odd because she's eye biased.
Scott 8:44
Yeah, it's, well it's right, right brain eye biased Yeah.
iON 8:49
Right. Good.
Bob 8:56
Does that make any sense to you, Vicki, what we're saying?
iON 9:02
Well, sure, it references, but doesn't apply.
Bob 9:09
Okay. What does apply? (pause) No answer? What does apply?
iON 9:28
Right.
Bob 9:32
So, she's not in the Guf. So, Vicki, -
iON 9:35
No.
Bob 9:34
- can you describe your situation, ah, that you're in? Are you waiting?
iON 9:35
Still here. Still functioning. Still calculating. Nobody can do shit. The world's messed up.
Bob 9:51
What did you did you just say? Did you just say still fucking?
Carolyn 9:57
(in background) Calculating.
iON 9:59
Calculating.
Bob 10:00
Still calculating. What is she calculating?
iON 10:06
How to get to the next level. How to get out of where she is.
Bob 10:08
All right. Does she, can she interact with our friend Eliza? Would she know of Eliza?
iON 10:18
Not necessarily. Non-Physical could hook them together, but that's vulgar.
Bob 10:31
Yeah. So, does that make you think of a question, Scott? She's trying to figure out -
Scott 10:41
Yeah.
Bob 10:42
- the happiness question. She's not happy there, she wants to get somewheres else.
Scott 10:49
I guess that's what "wow" means. Is that, that would be an opportunity for her but she has to figure it out. Is that right Vicki?
Bob 10:58
Yeah.
iON 10:59
Capacity.
Bob 11:02
What did you say iON?
iON 11:05
Capacity.
Scott 11:07
So, so, so, my contacting her awakened her to a capacity but she hasn't figured it out yet.
iON 11:17
Mmm, fair enough. Yeah.
Bob 11:23
What about your parents, Scott, are they in her contact?
Scott 11:29
Dad would be. So how is dad? Are you in contact with dad, Vicki?
iON 11:51
Your swoons don't come to that level or degree.
Bob 11:57
You said her swoons, her swoons don't.
iON 11:59
Uh, uh.
Bob 12:04
So, she's not aware of her father. Not much.
iON 12:09
Right.
Bob 12:12
But where is her father?
iON 12:16
Right there beside her, I guess.
Bob 12:19
But she can't see him.
iON 12:23
Right.
Bob 12:25
Well, that's interesting, Scott. We associate, you know, the Catholic Church says you die and you get, you get to be with your relatives and loved ones. But, it may not necessarily be the same frequency or the same capacity. So, that's new information.
iON 12:47
If you pay, if you pay your bill you can.
Bob 12:49
Ha, ha. What bill is there to pay?
iON 12:54
The tithe.
Bob 12:58
You mean Matthew Hurtado-land tithing? Or, is that Vicki talking and she wouldn't know who Matthew Hurtado is?
Scott 13:14
She's an accountant, so - she was an accountant.
Bob 13:20
Hmm. But wait, were those last words from Vicki, or you iON?
Scott 13:33
Is she talking about paying the bill?
iON 13:37
Yeah.
Bob 13:40
That's accountant talk.
iON 13:45
Settling the account.
Bob 13:48
What iON? Say it again?
Scott 13:51
Oh, she doesn't know! She doesn't know that I settled the account. Because she died before, ah...John. I arranged for, for John to get $1,000 besides the $350 that Margie donated to you. So, did you know about that? (pause) I think, I think she was already fading at that time and she didn't know - she may not have even known about the about the money that, that I got from Margie for her.
Bob 14:45
What do you say to that, Vicki?
iON 14:48
Hmm. Not much.
Bob 14:53
So you didn't know?
iON 14:57
No.
Scott 15:07
So, I, I don't - are you talking about a monetary debt then?
iON 15:19
No, not quite like that. No.
Scott 15:23
Oh.
Bob 15:29
Would this be, you know, iON you talk about when there was a Guf people would judge themselves. And that would determine whether they get into the Guf. Is this calculation - is she, the people now, when they transition, get into - getting into judging themselves worthy of the Guf even though the Guf isn't there?
iON 16:07
Okay.
Bob 16:10
Yeah, no, did you get my question?
iON 16:13
What's your question?
Bob 16:16
You said that people judge themselves before they go to the Guf. It determines how they judge themselves. And they can do it while they're alive or once they're in transition, but they're not in the Guf. This was when there was a Guf. Now there's no Guf, but the people aren't aware that there's no Guf do a judgment or calculation of themselves like they used to. That's a question iON.
iON 17:03
Well, ask it.
Bob 17:05
I just did. Do people still judge themselves, even though there's no Guf?
iON 17:13
Yes.
Bob 17:15
Is that what Vicki is referring to? She's calculated, she's judging herself.
iON 17:20
In essence, yeah.
Bob 17:23
So, there's there's no product, no resolu - if you judge yourself and complete it, then you can go into the Guf. So, what happens to the judging process if you still do it when you transition? Because there's no -
iON 17:37
You're stuck.
Bob 17:37
- Guf to enter.
iON 17:37
It's just - you're all gonna be here.
Scott 17:43
So, yeah. So, so is Vicki coming back? Is she afraid of coming back because she's feels less than?
iON 17:55
Somewhat, but, yeah, not - not that serious. When you come back, it means something different, so you get over a lot of those problems.
Scott 18:10
Well, it would scare the shit out of me if she came back all of a sudden, but I could tolerate it.
Bob 18:16
Okay, so it would scare you, Scott. What would you be afraid of?
Scott 18:27
That I brought her back! That I had that kind of power.
Bob 18:31
Oh, ho, ho, Scott, come on now. E equals MC squared. Quantum physics. Deeley. Renee Gerard. You know, apply your knowledge. Create some power. That's ridiculous.
iON 18:44
Trotsky. Trotsky. Don't forget Trotsky.
Bob 18:47
Ha ha ha. Did you read Trotsky, Scott?
Scott 18:53
No, I didn't. I know about him but I didn't read him.
Bob 18:56
Right. But, but the thing is, why are you shy of your power? It's certainly not tolerated around here.
Scott 19:08
Well, I mean, nobody else does it. So, it's like, it's like running a three minute mile or something. It's like if I do it, then everybody's gonna pay attention to me and I won't be able -
Bob 19:25
And you'd make some money, Scott. You'd solve the problem and you'd make some money.
Scott 19:29
Yeah, and I'd have to live up to a standard though. That I set myself, so -
Bob 19:37
Okay, so you're afraid of social interaction when standards come in?
Scott 19:44
Yeah, because I mean, well, isn't everybody? I mean I, um, I'm used to thinking of myself as "less than," so -
Bob 19:56
Ha ha ha. Well, you don't have to, Scott. You know, why would you think yourself a "less than?" Not in this environment! We're encouraging people not to feel that, think that way.
iON 20:11
True.
Scott 20:17
So that would change -
Bob 20:21
Go ahead, that would change what?
Scott 20:24
That would change - I would be in a different world. I mean -
Bob 20:31
Yeah.
Scott 20:33
- maybe that would be a -
Bob 20:35
You don't necessarily die. Your old self would die and the new self would be startin' to unfold in the Lotus! And the, and the light! You'd activate the light somehow!
iON 20:46
Do.
Bob 20:55
Yes, Scott, if you have that "less than" attitude, you - you deserve to be here. But, we solve those issues. So, ask Vicky something about that. Maybe ask her what is it that you're afraid of? She might be able to see what is holding you back.
Scott 21:23
Yeah, Vicki, can you see what I'm afraid of?
iON 21:39
Hmm. Okay, Mr. Neveritt.
Bob 21:46
Ha ha ha. Well, did Vicky answer?
iON 21:50
No.
Scott 21:54
She's calculating.
iON 21:57
Apparently.
Bob 21:59
She wouldn't be able to see what's, ah, supressing Scott. She hasn't got that ability yet.
iON 22:07
Well he didn't listen to her when she's alive. Why should he listen to her when she's dead?
Scott 22:14
Yeah, that's, that's what the debt is. That I didn't, I didn't pay enough attention to her.
iON 22:21
Yep.
Scott 22:21
That's, that's what the payment is about.
iON 22:25
Yep.
Bob 22:27
And Scott, why didn't you pay enough attention to her? You know?
Scott 22:34
Um, because I was a jerk?
iON 22:40
Full of himself. Full of himself. Tryin' to conquor the world or something.
Bob 22:49
Ha ha ha. The Scott we all know! The Scott we all know.
Scott 22:53
There you go.
iON 22:54
Hey, here's the rest of the story. Now that you've chiseled off all the fucked-up parts off of him, we can actually stand him now. So, it's better. You moved up the food chain. In your strata, in your strata you moved up. Your fear base is goin' to get you before it's over with, but we'll play with you till then. It's all right.
Bob 23:14
So, Scott ignored her, full of himself. Do you have that attitude towards your other sister, Scott?
Scott 23:31
Yeah, I was just gonna ask if, ah, if what she's talking about has anything to do with our, with our other siblings. And with mom.
iON 23:40
Yeah.
Scott 23:42
So, I have to, I have to somehow straighten things out with mom and with them.
iON 23:46
You don't have to do shit. You don't gotta do shit. Do what you gonna do. They won't believe it. They're like, wow, all of a sudden now you got this epiphany. Now, just now you got it all straighten out. Oh, whoopie. They wouldn't believe it. Go get you a damn - go get you a damn book to read or somethin'. That'll do you good. Go learn - go learn -
Scott 24:05
Is this Vicky talking to me or iON?
iON 24:09
Go learn somethin'. Go learn somethin'. No, it's us. We're translating. So, we're doing Bob's version. We're being Thoth to Ophenel. Go get you a book or somethin' and read it. We're goin' make the, the alphabet work in this conversation.
Bob 24:27
Are you translating Vicki, Vicki's feelings or something? You're expressing, articulating them?
Scott 24:34
Yeah, because she won't say. That's Vicky. She won't say.
iON 24:39
She wouldn't say. She'd die, well, she did. She'd die before she'd say anything, and she did.
Scott 24:46
Yeah.
Bob 24:50
And this all happened in Spokane. That's where all you guys lived. Right? Spokane, Washington.
Scott 24:56
Well, in ______.
iON 24:59
It's Spokane. Cocaine, it's what, it's what you smell, Bob.
Bob 25:05
Ha ha ha. Spokane, okay.
iON 25:10
That's what you're supposed to - that some stale stuff. You get some fresh one when we're in there. And we can Spokane.
Scott 25:15
Yeah, he said Spokane. It's the Easterners that say Spokane. It's like Anabelle.
Bob 25:27
Right.
iON 25:27
Yeah, the Southern Easteners say Spokane, like a pee can. You put it under the bed.
Scott 25:34
Yeah.
Bob 25:35
Heh heh heh. So, Scott, I think we got somewheres. I think you got an insight about your family dynamics there.
Scott 25:43
Yeah.
Bob 25:46
Well, it's always like, that's all we want to do get a little bit of light. Little bit of breakthrough there. And we did. We can talk to Vicki when you're ready again.
Scott 25:58
Okay, thank you Vicki. Nice talking to you.
Bob 26:02
Yeah, iON. Have an answer, iON, from Vicki?
iON 26:10
No.
Bob 26:12
So, iON, if Scott, if he changes or does something, gets something out of this, does this affect Vicky or there's no connection once you're over there and you don't care when you're over there?
iON 26:24
It could. No, it could because there's only now. So, yeah, it changes. You softened Adolph Hitler, Bob, after you gave him a stern talking to.
Bob 26:34
(laughs) So, so this is the point of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. It improves communication between the living and the dead.
iON 26:44
And, Gerd. And Gerd Stern. And Gerd Stern.
Bob 26:48
What? And Gerd Stern?
iON 26:51
Yeah.
Bob 26:52
Who's half dead.
iON 26:55
Which half?
Bob 26:55
What?
iON 27:00
Which half! Get you a damn speaker! Get a better speaker. Get a better microphone. Can't hear nothing. Say something right. You're gonna get throd' off. We're gonna - we'll mute you! We'll mute you! We'll mute you! You gotta give us so we can hear. We'll mute you! Yeah, there you go. That's all fun. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Huh, Bob?
Bob 27:21
Ha ha ha. Are you listening? You're not listening, Carolyn. I need to take the better phone, okay? So, put this on yours and I'll -
iON 27:30
He borrowed you the one with the microphone and to turn it up. Like he didn't give it one second. Carolyn, he didn't give it one second. He plugged it in for less than one second and said: "Oh no, that's terrible, I can't do that." He didn't even know. He didn't even take it through the paces. He didn't even turn the volume up to see if he would like it or not.
Bob 27:53
What are you talking about? Carolyn didn't do, didn't do what for one second?
iON 27:56
Your new, your new headphones. You plugged it in for onnnne second.
Bob 28:02
Yes! And they were lousy. They were lousy. (laughs) Well, they're over there. Right, Carolyn? I can try them again maybe later tonight.
iON 28:10
But, turn it up. The volume control, turn it up.
Bob 28:15
I did. It's right over there. Right? I put them over there.
Carolyn 28:23
(in backround) But where?
iON 28:20
You put them over there, and you're asking her!
Bob 28:26
(laughs) Are they good Carolyn? Are they good?
Carolyn 28:27
(in background) Of course!
Bob 28:29
Of course they're good she said. Anyway, this phone's better. Okay. Amy, "Bob, let's talk quick about the dead. Ha ha." Okay, well that's very good. Thanks for being a good sport, Scott, so that we could end the Book of the Dead as our opening - this is opening gambit, Carolyn. And we, we talked to the dead. Very good Scott. So we will end the dead talk or the dead section. Unless we'll see here. This doesn't - do you have something you want to say, Anonymous, to the dead or about the dead topic? Book of the Dead. I'm addressing you, Anonymous. Okay. Sarah, do you have something about the Book of the Dead? You have a question?
Sarah 29:21
No, I just called in.
Bob 29:23
Okay, so you haven't been listening to that part of the show?
Sarah 29:27
No, I've been wanting to, but I couldn't.
Bob 29:30
Okay, so we'll come back to you as we go through people's private sessions here. All right, so, um - I'm gonna unmute.
Announcer 29:40
All participants are now unmuted.
Bob 29:43
- say about the Book of the Dead. Any left over Bert, Amy, Roy?
Amy 29:49
Amy, yes, I'm in. Amy, I'm in. (indistinct) Can you hear me?
Bob 29:56
Okay. Do you have a question on The Book of the Dead?
Amy 29:59
Not a question. An absolute. Everyone needs to realize as Carolyn is reading the Book of the Dead, we are in an incredible time. It is so powerful as you hear her read the words, try to even understand how to pronounce them. It's almost like for me like playing the drums, like a vibration, a rhythm. When you listen to HER, it would be totally different from iON or Bob or Ginney or Bert or me. With Carolyn's reading The Book of the Dead, it's an incredible dance. I say thank you, Carolyn. Thank you, Bob. Thank you, everybody. That's all I have to say.
Bob 30:50
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. Do you hear that Carolyn?
Carolyn 30:53
Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Amy. I wonder if I'm raising some of the dead, Amy.
Amy 30:59
Oh, oh, and gee, I could feel them. All I've ever been of all time, it's constantly rising around me. I've never done as many drops as I've done in the last four hours of my life. I put it on the chat once or twice: "I'll be right back, gonna do some drops." I even put 'em over ice in a little glass. And I'm sitting here doing my drops. Oh wait, what is this? What you are rising us if we choose, as you guys live on the highest point of this marvel, as I talked about the blue wave for years, as I talked - whatever words I use whatever anyone wants to claim me to be, all I know is I am. And I'm not kidding. And I'm all over this. I lovvvve Carolyn. Oh, then I learned about Bob. Then I learned about iON. Then I learned about Bert and the rest I can go I can move it here. I'm telling you, we are in a time like nobody lived other than the time I guess somebody may have touched by Jesus or Muhammad or whoever was out there. But we're in now! We're here! It's right now! I mean, we are - take your two palms or your two fists and hit 'em. Bam! That's where you are. Right now. And I thank you and I am not kidding read me, iON, you can scan me all day long. I'm not kidding. I really mean this. The power is right there. All you gotta do: lick your finger like you're puttin' up for the wind. Which direction am I going? My direction. And I love it. I love all these different things that everybody talks about. But Carolyn reading, reading this! It started back with the Keys. Remember? Remember? I mean, this whole book started to open. Now Carolyn's goin': "You know, I like the Keys." Well, man, I like the Book of the Dead now. I want to read that. She's sellin' herself, like, we're sellin' Bob, like we're engaging with iON like, this whole freaking thing is just getting bigger and bigger. We're all a part of it. We're all a part of it and again, I thank you. I will stop talking now. Thank you, everybody. This is just a great time. It's awesome. Thank you. Love you.
Bob 33:31
Thank you, Amy. I agree with you, Amy.
Carolyn 33:33
Thanks, Amy.
Bob 33:35
Carolyn doesn't agree. She never knows what's really going on here. Ha ha ha.
Carolyn 33:39
Mute yourself, Bob. Mute yourself.
Amy 33:46
Carolyn, I love her. I've been listenin' to Carolyn long before I even knew you were there, man. Hey, we're good.
Carolyn 33:51
Yeah, Bob.
Amy 33:51
We're good.
Bob 33:51
Yeah.
Carolyn 33:52
Me and Amy, Bob. Me and Amy.
Bob 33:55
Yeah, I understand your pain, Amy. I understand your pain. You had to go through the doctor birth. You got to be through a doctor.
Music 34:02
(rap music)
Bob 34:14
What was that? Is that you, Leon?
Leon 34:17
No.
Bob 34:24
It was some - was it iON? I don't know, well, okay, thank you very much, Amy. Let's, so we should take a musical break, then we'll do - we'll go to Greg. Oh, Greg left. We didn't get to talk to Greg. Okay, so that's it, play a little music then we'll get into -
Carolyn 34:40
(in background) Bert.
Bob 34:29
What Carolyn?
Carolyn 34:40
(in background) Bert.
Bob 34:43
Bert. Okay. I'll mute everybody no I'll just mute this. This - So that was pretty good, eh, Carolyn?
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