The Lampstands, Beasts, & Elders Around the Throne

Bart’s Excerpts from the Upper Room Dialogues
4 January 2014, Payday

Bob: “Lampstand—is it just a light on a stick?”

iON: "It’s a candlestick; a bunch of candlesticks on a stand."

Bob: "Oh. So, when they talk about the seven candlesticks, they’re talking about the lampstand?"

iON: "That’s right, Bob."

Bob: "So, they look like candles?"

iON: "Well, groupings of candles, yeah."

Bob: "Ah, OK. So, these are the candlesticks. We know them as candlesticks, not lampstands. These are the seven candlesticks…"

iON: "Well... but candlesticks you set on a table. These would sit on a floor and give you light, voluminous amounts of light."

Bob: "And each... there's seven of them?"

iON: "Yes"

Bob: "And each one has more than one candle per set?"

iON: "Yes. Every dynamic of those lampstands... talked about the multifacets of each stand, Bob."

Bob: "OK, so what do they represent?"

iON: "Bob, we went through that."

Bob: "I know, I don’t remember. I’m just asking again. Can’t I run it up the flag pole again? We might see something different."

iON: "Well, we're not going to say something different, unless you want to redo…"

Bob: "No, no, no. I just want... you told me about the elders... what do the lampstands represent?"

iON: "The different degrees of the layers of heaven that you allow your light to so shine regarding."

Bob: "So, as opposed to the beast, which is another kind of... different degrees of... I don’t know… environment? You gave me a definition, but I don’t know what it is... "

iON: "Then go back and re-listen to the sessions, and then ask the question…"

Bob: "No, no, no…"

iON: "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

Bob: "I’m trying to find out what you did just say; just even what you did say that it means. I know people don’t get it. They’re always never getting it…"

iON: "And if they’re not going to get it, why are you going to get it now?"

Bob: "Well, I make the effort. But marvel at how we don’t get it…"

iON: "By not listening the first time."

Bob: "No, I do listen. But I’m trying... the beasts... I don’t think we agreed. I mean... because we tried to figure out what your words referred to. The beasts are... I definitely got the elders are psychological archetypes... the beasts are sociological; they're environments. They more tend to environments than wise individuals you might have, which is the elders.

Yeah, the beasts represent environments that you interact with: social."

iON: "And then you have to gauge regarding."

Bob: "Right. OK, so on my chart, I’ve got the list of psychological states, that's the elders... same meaning, psychological states of wisdom. And then there’s the more environmental, social society statements. That would be beasts, and beast is... society is a beast.

You don’t have to engage with it, but when you engage with it, you get roughed up a lot by it."

iON: "Ain't it fun, though, that you have the twenty and four elders, and the beasts, around the same altar."

Bob: "Well, they’re aspects of what make up a person."

iON: "Very good. And those relegations, appropriately."

Bob: "Right. So, then the candles would be representing your relationship to other than this world conditions; spiritual states?"

iON: "Multi-world conditions."

Bob: "Multi-world. See, I don’t think this has ever been said before…"

iON: "Yeah, it has."

Bob: "No, maybe it was said, but nobody has pinned it down to be able to say it. Like, when Bob gets it, we got it. I can actually say - iON would disagree with my words, but I can say: the elders represent psychological states of social achievement--"

iON: "OK."

Bob: "The beast represents social conditions, like which part is in power, so to speak…"

iON: "Pretty much."

Bob: "And then there is the other worlds... other worlds is the... lampstands, the candlesticks. Now, was there anything else around the throne? That was it, wasn't it?"

iON: "Yes."

Bob: "Now, that's really clear. And now... no one's ever figured that out, have they?"

iON: "We have."

Bob: "Well, people who have ascended, they don’t need to figure this out. It’s not an issue?"

iON: "It doesn’t apply."

Bob: "Right. But, now, yeah, you say: 'we'. Well, you wrote this. You created this."

iON agrees.

Bob: "I say that iON wrote the Bible. And I mean by that, that iON... the state of inspiration the writers were in was in contact with a super knowing like iON…"

iON: "It was their Non-Physical, period."

Bob: "Right, which iON represents."

iON: "Right."

Bob: "So, we agree... that archetypes of the elders... you could find wise people in other worlds. So, you could find elders in other worlds. Or, are we talking about cultural…"

iON: "We're not talking about elders in other worlds. We're talking about elders around the throne, when you come into your place of power."

Bob: "Right, but I’m trying to... the candlesticks represent other worlds around the throne."

iON: "No, it does not. Who said that?"

Bob: "You were saying the lampstands represent multiple worlds."

iON: "No, we didn’t. We said lampstands represent the light that shines through your world, in your place of on the throne: ASCENDED. And if you'll read what the different lampstands were representing, it told you explicitly, detail by detail, what those lights were. "

Bob: "Yes, but... all three artifacts are part of this world?"

iON: "Yes."

Bob: "So, if we've got the society, cultural machines as the beasts. And then the psychological charisma image as the elders, what in this world... how you shine your light?"

iON: "In each individual lampstand represents a different light, shining a different way. It told what those lights represented, or exposed, or enlightened."

Bob: "Right. OK, so those... wouldn't that be a trinity? Physical... mind... so, the elders would be--"

iON: "That’s what we said."

Bob: "The elders would be the labyrinth of the mind; the beasts would be physical…"

iON: "No, we didn't go through all of that. No, no."

Bob: "Why wouldn’t that apply?"

iON: "Because it’s not appropriate to comply in the merging together. You’re not trying to merge the lampstands, the beasts, and the elders in your kingdom."

Bob: "OK, these represent external, for the later, ASCENDED person, irrelevant images."

iON: "Exactly. Exactly. But they’re important as you’re in your place of becoming."

Bob: "As you form your rules, and overlay new rules, you have images…"

iON: "That’s right. And that’s why that’s in the first Book of the Bible, the Revelation. That’s right."

Bob: "The images are conduits."

iON: "That’s what you use to get yourself all hooked up with yourself."